March 20, 2008 Update: Item has been sold on Amazon.comOver Christmas 2007, I received a copy of the St. Louis Jesuit's "Morning Light" CD. It is still in packaging and has never been opened or used. However, I am not a fan of the St. Louis Jesuits and consequently I do not want this CD. If anyone reading this blog would like this item, please comment below. I am open to offers. If no one is interested I am thinking of selling it over Amazon Marketplace although I have never used Amazon Marketplace before.
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Burn it so that nobody has to ever be subjected to this.
What's it sound like? Never heard of them before?
It is very liberal music - I do not think anything from the CD is appropriate for Mass.
Gee, no takers?
I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!
(And I second what Jeff Miller said.)
This is sad on many levels ...
(1) Someone spent $16.95 + tax for this
(2) I went to the OCP site and listened to the samples ... none of this sounded any different than any other folk drivel
(3) I had hoped that those guys may have grown up a bit in the past few years
The best hymn is probably track 7. http://www.ocp.org/products/12791
I'm always fascinated by those who call the words of the Psalms "drivel". Interesting kind of Catholic, methink. Perhaps you are not fully grown yourselves? Good luck in the Spirit.
I was just looking up "st. louis jesuits" in Google, and found this posting. Liberal music?? Not appropriate for mass!? Dude, I am laughing out loud. I grew up in churches that used The St. Louis Jesuits' music. My family has always loved it. What makes it inappropriate for mass? What makes it liberal?
The music is inappropriate for the Liturgy because it is not in accord with the guidelines from Vatican II:
http://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2007/01/sacrosanctum-concilium.html
Gregorian Chant is to be preferred.
OK, smart-alecky young Catholics,
Here's from a 52 year old protestant. Before you diss the music of St. Louis Jesuits out of hand, know a little something about them first.
I happen to love the tradition of the Catholic church, even though I am not a member. As a protestant who grew up with some REAL drivel in terms of charismatic music, (check out the Gaithers) you must understand what the church was like before the St. Louis Jesuits. The folk style of music in mass, or in protestant worship was a revolution, and it got young people (one of them was me) involved in church who had left it or had never gone. Many protestants , like me, were attracted to the Mass and Catholicism through the Jesuit's music, as well as the music of people like Marty Haugen (a Lutheran, by the way). As a trained dancer, I participated in services with both the Jesuits and Marty. Having dance and music with a folk beat was wonderful for us.
Now it seems the baby is being thrown out with the bathwater. As a protestant, I have for more than 20 years gone to Easter Vigil at Loyola University in Chicago. I have to say I was really disappointed this time. All of the people who used to make that liturgy so careful and special are retired or gone. The younger folks seem to either be trying to imitate something they never experienced first hand, or are throwing out the reforms all together.
I remember the chapel at Loyola when there were still pews attached to the floor and I watched Carla De Sola and her dance company negotiate their choreography around them. I then remember the first renovation of that chapel, when finally the word was read and preached in the very middle of the space with the people in moveable seating in the round surrounding the celebrant. This past weekend, the action of the liturgy was once again removed from the midst of the people and placed again on high, difficult to see, at one end of the space again. I couldn't believe it. Not only that, but the cantors tried to sing at one end of the huge space with the instruments at a time delay at the opposite end. I'm afraid I lost most of the words.
I'm sure that, like any style of music, there are good and bad examples, songs that will last and songs that will be dismissed (listen to "I come to the Garden" vs "There is Power in the Blood" if you want an evangelical example). The music of the folk revolution in the Catholic church is no different. Consider the context of that music, the burgeoning arts of architecture, dance, theater, visuals, as well as music that happened in the church at that time, before you toss it away.
Oh, P.S., (from the 52 year old protestant)
If you still have the CD, I'd be happy to take it off your hands. I'd love to hear what the guys are doing these days.
And golly, I don't care really if you don't like a certain kind of music, but you all are really MEAN! I mean, you'd think they purposely went about creating something distasteful to you. After all, they were following their understanding of the spirit's leading at the time. Let's have a little tolerance.
It's sad that brothers and sisters in Christ find the need to be mean, unchairitable and so judgemental about the diversity of music that is part of our Catholic tradition. I enjoy the Latin Mass, as well as music from African spirituals. Some of the music by Dan Schutte I found profound. I take comfort that these neo con voices while loud and very vocal come from a very small group. I listened last night to the Pope's message to the US Bishops in Washington. He celebrated the diversity that is a part of our American tradition. The diversity of culture, traditions and music. You'll be interested to learn that there are many songs from the St. Louis Jesuits that will be used at various Papal masses. Yes, the Pope is clear that we need to adhear to our rich traditions of Sacred Music but he would cringe at the hateful diologue that often comes from this group. My prayer is the hateful and nasty spirit that often comes from this small and bitter group would be transformed by the kind of spirit that comes from prayer and reading the Gospels. Peace
As members of the holy Catholic Church, you should be ashamed of your harsh treatment of the St. Louis Jesuits. What would our Lord and Saviour say about your actions?
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