The newly ordained bishop for Tulsa--Bishop David Konderla--is dismissing from his new diocese yet another religious community devoted to the traditional Catholic religious life, known by many local faithful for also actively participating in the Traditional Latin Mass (1962 Missal).
This time it is the Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel's Hope, a public association of the faithful preparing for years for permanent approval, originally founded by now retired Bishop-emeritus Edward Slattery of Tulsa and Mother Miriam (a Jewish convert known for her talks on EWTN).
From their recent Advent/Christmas 2016 Newsletter:
The new bishop of Tulsa told us earlier this month that he does not see a way forward for our community in the Diocese of Tulsa, Oklahoma. In a memo to Diocesan priests and staff, the bishop wrote: “After careful consideration and prayerful discernment, the Diocese of Tulsa has elected to end its affiliation with the Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel’s Hope and allow the community to continue their apostolic exploration in another diocese.”Source: The Okie Traditionalist
This is a great sadness to us and to many families and individuals in the Diocese of Tulsa and beyond who have worked so hard and given so much to establish our Priory and renovate the guest house that was donated to us. Yet, we are at peace...
Please pray for this community which remains true to Catholic Tradition. May they - and the order of exorcists recently also dismissed by Bishop Konderla - find a new home for their important ministry.
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To be fair, like I posted on another Catholic website, a Diocese only gives a potential new religious Order a certain amount of time to prove itself...whether it will be viable and have a well defined apostolate, or not.
This includes the intake of at least a few vocations each year (even one a year in the beginning is looked upon favorably). But this community I think has floundered from the beginning. I think it changed it's name, and then back again at least 1x, changed apostolates at least once, and moved around looking for a proper base to put down roots at least 2x. They have had some vocations, mostly all of which have quit before taking temporary or final vows. For a time, there was only 1 member...the foundress. I think they might have anywhere from 1-3 members...and none in training which is not a viable community.
Unfortunatly, neither are the Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem, which after at least 10 years, still have only 3-4 members. They are a wonderful traditional group. I can't understand why they are not growing.
There are some Vatican II "new" groups which probably will be suppressed as well. The Franciscan Misisonaries of the Eternal Word friars were founded around 1987, and have never gotten past 15-16 members. They usually have anywhere from 1-3 novices in training, but they have a HUGE attrition/turnover rate.They also have about among the 15 members, and have lost at least 5 priests over the last 20+ years (they quit the Order and either became diosecean priests, joined another Order, or left the priesthood entirely). There also have been rumors of problems with a few gay/gay oriented seminarians to that community who either quit or were asked to leave. The Knights of the Holy Eucharist, a lay group of brothers at the Hanceville Shrine in Alabama have only 3-4 members. Perhaps both groups will be suppressed.
So it MAY be not so much a Bishop going after traditionalist Orders....like Bergoglio does....but rather the community just doesn't look like it has what it takes (apostolate wise, numbers, finances) to survive.
Mother Miriam and her wonderful sisters are still in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Many woman from all over the world have contacting Mother Miriam to join her order, but they first need a larger building with more space before receiving them.
Recently, the Sisters initiated the founding of "The Benedictine Oblates of the Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel's Hope".
Already over 200 individuals and families have applied to join.
The Lord is continuing to Bless these amazing Catholic Sisters!
God bless Mother's mission
I thank God for Mother Miriam and have informed several people to listen to her podcasts on the app "Catholic Radio." especially Sept. 26 and 27 on Home Schooling -- a real eye opener and way forward.
I was part of what I believe to be Rosalind’s original order in Heggi, MO. The bishop soon to be cardinal, at the time was Raymond Burke. Mother Mariam was 100% focused on her radio program and attending conferences. Sadly, she treated everyone very rudely and ran out the few women who joined her. There is cause for the latest bishops concern. It’s one thing to have a 3rd order of laypeople as she seems to have now; it’s another thing to have an active community with an active postulancy where women grow in their vocation. In 2008, we didn’t have any formation. We were usually left alone as Rosalind focused on her talk shows and travel. Anyone who visited us were treated by Rosalind with long conversations about herself, not God. A lot of money was given due to her online and conference notoriety which paid for luxurious furniture, selected by Mother Miriam, for our cells. She walked away from it all, when it was just her alone. She went for some formation for herself. It looks like she has started up in two other states and the founding date conveniently ignores the actually date and location which was in Missouri through the invitation by Cardinal Burke just before he was moved to Rome.
Please do not be too quick to judge the 3 bishops who have moved Mother Miriam out of their dioceses. I was also one of the women that Rosalind, now “Mother Miriam” had invited to be a founding member in 2008 and, like the other 3 “founders”, I too was “kicked out”. The original name we agreed upon for the community was “ Daughters of Mary, Mother of Our Hope.” She alone changed our name and the other founders felt her change made it confusing. People even asked if they had to be Jewish to apply. In all those months, without Rosalind being around, we “played religious” but, prayed with and guided those in our path. We did not have one day of formation. Rosalind was either away doing a conference, doing her radio show from her “cell” or, sadly, holding court about her life adventures (not about God) with any and all visitors who were lucky to get out in under two hours. We spent a few weeks with the Nashville Dominican Sisters who made us replacement veils. It was obvious after spending time with them that we had so much to learn about being Brides of Christ. Towards the end there was just Rosalind, myself and one other. After being given a week to discern the direction of the “community”, Rosalind, while sitting in Dairy Queen, asked me why I didn’t take all my gifts and found my own community. To say that I was stunned by such a comment was an understatement. God gives us vocations, we don’t make them up like an entrepreneur. Sadly, her focus was always on her even when the schedule showed it to be time for Adoration, the Liturgy of the Hours or formation which never took place. I’ve followed her time in formation (she didn’t give up her radio program) and her 3 other moves. I noticed that her origins with Cardinal Raymond Burke and the 5 of us in Heggi, MO are removed from her history with a different bishop being credited as being her founder. What the person who seems to have been also with me in Heggie wrote was sadly true. Rosalind told me one day that, “She didn’t want to become a Christian, she didn’t want to become a chaplain, she didn’t want to become a Catholic but, now this was something she wanted to do (found a religious order) and she had no place else to go and nothing else to do,” I almost fell off my chair, I was so shocked but, everything going on and not going on, such as formation for us all, in the “convent” made perfect sense. At that time, she was a danger to young, impressionable girls. We were all older but, some were still deeply hurt by Rosalind’s cruelty. I noticed that her website still only has her face and no mention of the Sister’s who might me at her 4th convent or stories about their apostolate. I continue to pray for her and those who continue to fund what God has yet to bless with a growing religious order. She is not who she appears to be in public and greatly needs prayers, more formation and perhaps brotherly correction. So much money has been sent her way over all these years (she just walked away from tens of thousands of custom furniture for our cells) and so many laypeople who were close to the first convent in MO were left used and hurt. I pray that her new bishop watches and guides her closely.
I struggle to understand why the Catholic media refuses to investigate and report on this matter. Does Moss (I will call her by her given name because she has mentioned her vows being revoked or cancelled, whatever that may mean) get a free pass due to her past employment with Catholic Answers and current employment on an obscure Catholic media outlet? This is very disturbing.
Motto: never eat your own
There was a Reddit thread that led me here. Suddenly the post became private, as things were being exposed. I’m not tech savvy. What’s going on?
From today's newsletter from "CUP" (Corpus Christi for Unity and Peace):
Mother Miriam of the Lamb of God is the founder and prioress of a religious community, Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel’s Hope. She was born and raised in a Jewish home in Brooklyn, New York. Rosalind Moss embraced Jesus as the Messiah of the Jewish people as an adult. Her initial conversion interrupted a successful 15-year business career as an executive. She changed course, beginning a full-time Evangelical ministry and earning a master’s degree in Ministry from Talbot Theological Seminary. Then, a series of events in the summer of 1990 set her on a course to find out if the Catholic Church was in fact the Church Christ established 2,000 years ago. After 18 years of Protestantism, she entered the Catholic Church at Easter 1995.
Mother Miriam was on several EWTN programs and served as a staff apologist with Catholic Answers. She now hosts the daily show Mother Miriam Live (offered through Stations of the Cross, LifeSiteNews and Mother Miriam’s Facebook page). She has a remarkable testimony of how God led her from Judaism to Catholicism, and how she was called to start a new order of sisters who would reach out to every segment of society as messengers of hope.
Bishop Strickland of the Diocese of Tyler, Texas, welcomed the Daughters of Mary, Mother of Israel’s Hope, to his diocese in July 2022. Mother Miriam and Bishop Strickland have collaborated on several projects including a video series on the Joyful Mysteries of the Rosary and a podcast on the Catechism of the Catholic Church. They share a common vision of promoting the Catholic faith and defending the family in today's culture. Mother Miriam cuts through the nonsense of today’s woke culture whose aim is to destroy the family. She speaks from the heart about we face and how to solve it through our faith.
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