Monday, January 1, 2007
Avoid the Neocatechumenal Way

After reading up about the Neocatechumenal Way today, I feel obligated to write about my strong disapproval for the organization. The Neocatechumenal Way or Neocatechumenate is a "Post Baptismal Catechumenate" i.e. a Christian initiation process within the Roman Catholic Church that is dedicated to adult faith formation. However, as part of their regular celebration of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass the Way performs numerous liturgical abuses and engages in teachings that are, at their core, not Catholic.  Not only have they lost the Liturgy but their actions call into question their foundation in solid Catholic doctrine.

I found an abundance of information on the doctrinal errors of the Neocatechumenal Way from the faithful magazine "Christian Order," specifically a 1995 article. Here is some information from that magazine relating to the doctrinal errors of Neocatechumenal Way.  And here is an additional source written by Fr. Zoffoli on the problems in the Way.

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1. SIN: man cannot avoid committing it, in the same way as he can neither accomplish good nor acquire merits for himself;

- conversion is possible only as recognition, by everyone, of their own moral poverty, not as a determined wish to correct one’s
- sin cannot offend God, and man does not incur the duty to expiate it by satisfying the requirements of His justice.

2. REDEMPTION: Jesus has not brought this about by liberating man from his faults and reconciling him with God;

- the passion and death of Christ has not been a true sacrifice offered to the Father in order to remedy sin and to redeem man;
- Jesus saved the world by virtue of His Resurrection: in order to enjoy the fruits of His work it is enough to confess to be sinners and to believe in the power of the risen Christ.

3. THE CHURCH was not founded by Christ as his only Sheepfold: it is also possible to save oneself by following other religions;

- the Church is not a juridical and hierarchical society, but a spiritual, charismatic one;
- in it there is not found a priesthood derived from the sacrament of the Order - as it is sufficient to have the Baptism which, incorporating all the believers in Christ, makes them participants of His priestly dignity.

4. THE MASS is not a “sacrifice”: the Church, at the altar, does not offer to God any Victim;

- in place of the altar, there is nothing but the table, which in the Eucharist allows a festive party to be celebrated among brothers united by the same faith in the Resurrection;
- the consecrated bread and wine are only the symbol of the presence of the risen Christ which unites the fellow-guests by communicating their own spirit, thus making them participants in his triumph over death;
- the Mass, thus conceived, is not celebrated by the priest, but by the Assembly, from which “springs the Eucharist.”

5. EUCHARISTIC WORSHIP does not have any meaning, it negates the true, real and substantial presence of Christ under the sacramental species. Acts of faith such as genuflections before the Tabernacle, frequent Communions, hours of adoration, benedictions, processions, congresses, etc. are not therefore justified.

6. CONFESSION is reduced to the sacrament of Baptism: their distinction does not go back to the primitive Church:

- the Church “gestates and leads to the conversion.” “The important thing is not the absolution” of the priest, because the value of the confession is essentially its community and ecclesial nature;
- in the “passages” and in the, “scrutinies” the acknowledgement of one’s transgressions, including the serious ones, is public, as can still be the case during the “redditio.”

7. THE CHRISTIAN LIFE, as a voluntary effort of self-discipline, and therefore an exercise and progress in virtue, is an illusion;

- everyone remains intrinsically a sinner, incapable of obtaining true justice as a perfection of the love of God and of one’s fellow creatures;
- on the other hand, Jesus has not been presented to anyone as a “model” to be imitated;
- He has commanded that we should actually hate our parents, brothers, relatives etc, not just, if necessary, to be prepared to prefer Him to them;
- in order to follow Christ, we need to sell our own goods; but, once this renunciation has been accomplished, it is permissible to acquire others and to enjoy all the pleasures of life. “Poverty” as understood by St. Francis, is inspired by the “natural religion,” and was also practised by the pagans: it is not a Christian virtue;
- Jesus, having suffered for us, has made our sufferings superfluous, therefore the austerities of the ascetics, the slow martyrdom of the Saints and the religious life itself, involving the effective practice of the evangelical counsels, are not justifiable;
- eternal salvation is offered freely to all by the mercy of God, who forgives everything. Hell should not exist, nor should one speak of Purgatory, of prayers and of indulgences for the dead.

8. THE HISTORY of the true Church founded by Christ comes to an end with the Pax Constantinia and does not resume its course until the 20th century with the Second Vatican Council, having remained frozen for about 1,600 years ... ;

- in this long interval, the exercise of the triple power of the hierarchical Church (teaching, sanctification, guidance) would have been improper, illegitimate ... ; and in particular the Council of Trent would be responsible for the paralysis of the Church, determined to fix formulae of faith, liturgical rites, disciplinary, rules ... ;
- the interpretation of the Word of God is not reserved for the Hierarchy, it is possible for all believers: “the Bible is explained by itself.” This freedom of examination in the exegesis excludes the ecclesiastical Teaching, the tradition of the Elders and the doctrine of the theologies.

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The above statements are heresy. The Neocatechumenal Way does not refer to the Altar as anything more than a "table" when it is a symbol of our Lord Jesus Christ and one of the holiest objects on Earth. Here is a comment concerning liturgical abuses performed by the Neocatechumenal Way on EWTN's Catholic Q and A:
"This group engages in various practices within their special liturgy that are regularly considered abuses, such as standing at the Consecration, decorating the Altar with flowers, dancing around the Altar, or 'Table' as they call it, after Mass, accompanying the chanting of the Eucharistic Prayer with guitars, to name a few." I found a picture of a Baptism done by a deacon instead of a priest via Yahoo Images. It is done very differently than in a typical parish. Also, notice the flowers on the altar, which should not be there as this is a violation of the laws of the Church.

Thankfully Pope Benedict XVI has at least required certain changes as dictated by a December 2005 letter. Let us hope and pray for this community to stop participating in liturgical abuses and amend their celebration of the Liturgy to reflect that of our Lord Jesus Christ's Sacrifice on Calvary.  And let us pray that they start teaching true Catholic teaching and not protestant heresy.

Further Information:
Comments (Updated 2011):

I would like to highlight the comment by Rob which I share below:
Thank you for posting the article "Avoid The Neocatechumenal Way". Four years worth of comments - Wow. I just included the following in my comment and hope you'll consider it.

"The four years worth of comments here are mostly tantrums of the teenage angst vein - "you don't understand me" - instead of intelligent discussion. There are a couple really great comments though and it would be helpful if the original poster would stick in a P.S. to advise all new commentors to at least read these two before they post their own.

1. - two part post beginning February 24, 2010 - 12:42 AM
2. - seven part post beginning July 18, 2010 - 3:18 PM"
Update: August 13, 2011

First and foremost, to those of you who say that the Neocatechumenal Way is to be accepted because the Holy Father has approved its decrees, you are mistaken. Read carefully: "Blind obedience is not Catholic; nobody is exempt from responsibility for having obeyed man rather than God if he accepts orders from a higher authority, even the Pope, when these are contrary to the Will of God as it is known with certainty from Tradition. It is true that one cannot envisage such an eventuality when the papal infallibility is engaged; but this happens only in a limited number of cases. It is an error to think that every word uttered by the Pope is infallible" (Open Letter to Confused Catholics)

The problem with our modern times is that modernism and errors have affected even the Holy Father. He is not sinless. And, if I might say, he is incorrect to approve the Neocatechumenal Way which at its core is not Catholic. It is protestant for the reasons aforementioned in this post.

You might say, how is the Holy Father in error? Unfortunately, even he has fallen into some of the snares of liberal Catholics. I'd encourage you to read my post outlining the six errors of liberal Catholics with an analysis on how the hierarchy no longer believes "outside the Church there is no salvation." From this fundamental error, liberalism has infected the Church and has begun to pollute the Liturgy. The NeoCat Way is nothing more than a protestant infection in the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Update: January 23, 2012

From the Catholic News Agency after news items claim that the Neocatechumenal Way has received approval for their Celebration of the Mass.  The Vatican clarifies.
The Vatican’s approval of the Neo-Catechumenal Way’s forms of “celebration” only applies to non-liturgical prayers within their catechesis and not to the Mass or other liturgies of the Church.

“With respect to the celebrations of the Holy Mass and the other liturgies of the Church,” communities of the Neo-Catechumenal Way must “follow the norms of the Church as indicated in the liturgical books – to do otherwise must be understood to be a liturgical abuse,” a Vatican official told CNA on Jan. 21.

Pope Benedict XVI met with around 7000 members of the movement in the Vatican’s Paul VI Audience Hall on Jan. 20 for an annual event to send families on mission destinations worldwide.

The invitation issued by the movement to bishops for yesterday’s event stated that “the purpose of this meeting is that His Holiness will sign a Decree from the Congregation of Divine Worship recognizing the full approval of the liturgies of the Neo-Catechumenal Way.”

However, the approval for non-liturgical practices of the group came by way of another source. It was Pontifical Council for the Laity that issued a decree of approval – after having consulted the Congregation for Divine Worship – for those “celebrations” present in their Catechetical Directory.

In this process, “the Neocatechumenal Way obtained no new permissions whatsoever,” said the official, who is familiar with the approval process for prayers and liturgies.

“Essentially, the Pontifical Council is only approving these things that are found in the Catechetical Directory of the Neocatechumenal Way, and in no way touches those things contained in the liturgical books.”

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January 1, 2007 at 9:25 PM
Deo Juvante said...

I most definately agree with you. I've posted this article on my blog too.

January 1, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Ryan said...

I respectfully think that one shouldn't use such a publicly available forum to bash a group you seem to know very little about outside of a wikipedia article... Just my humble opinion.

January 2, 2007 at 4:11 AM
Anonymous said...

while i would not gather my opinions from wikipedia, i have read credible sources which reflect what you have said. i would also not base my opinions on reading the posts of several neo-cats on a neo-cat forum on myspace, but all i can say is that those kids are crazy! partying during retreats, having someone "touch" them "during Communion," how disrespectful, and they share it on a public forum.

January 2, 2007 at 7:43 AM
Moneybags said...

Ryan, I am not here to bash the group. I've recently read about them and I disapprove of them. But, I really just want to hear other's opinions on them. My opinion isn't set in stone. Everything I have read makes me avoid the Neocatechumenal Way, but I'm open for others' opinions on this matter.

January 2, 2007 at 11:07 AM
Paul VI said...

I have a grandfather who wsa with them, but left because of their more liberal ways, in celebrating Liturgy, and in some doctrinal matters. He said that just like there are good and mediocre Catholics, there are also good, and mediocre Neocatechumenal's. I avoid them because of this, and Fr. Benedict Groshel, along with Fr. John Corapi, both from EWTN, dissprove of this orginization. Some of Benedicts writings before he was pope, (that is personal writings) seem to also stress that they have some doctrinal matters with the more liberal sects. Anyway, pray hard!

January 2, 2007 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...

I personally agree, the way this group celebrates liturgy is strange and it seems they are way beyond the boundaries of current liturgical norms. Hopefully they have started to comply with the instructions from the Vatican.

Regarding the picture of the baptism…
I think it would be more appropriate for the Priest to baptize and not the Deacon.
Is there anything in particular you dislike with the practise of using immersion as a mean of baptizing or just the manner in which it is done?

January 4, 2007 at 5:07 AM
marie said...

G'day moneybags:)

sorry I have not visited your blog in a while. I have been struggling with my health.

I posted a piece on my blog as well about the Neocatechumenal Way. I remember a few years ago when our former Priest wanted to move our Altar into the CENTRE of the Church! Of course I strongly objected, I think I know where he must've got the idea from.

Perhaps it is time to look at the 'fruits' of this particular 'way' and discover if humility is one of them....When a group becomes disobedient to Rome they are on a course of self destruction.

http://faithofthefathershottopics.blogspot.com/

My two cents.

Marie

January 19, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Aro said...

some fruits of the way are at: http://www.sydney.catholic.org.au/News/MR/2003718_251.shtml

January 28, 2007 at 2:54 AM
Anonymous said...

Hey there. I'm from the NC Way. I feel there's alot of heavy criticism spawn around with regards to the various practices of the NC Way. When I first heard it of, I too was utterly scandalised. But when the NC Way held a catechesis over at my local parish, I attended it in the hopes of finding out more. I realised that what the Way basically aims is for one to rediscover the true meaning of being a follower of Christ especially in this world where non-Christian values abound. It is hard being in the Way in my country, because many Catholics simply cannot accept that fact that we hold our own Celebration of the Eucharist. But I take solace in the fact that our late Pope John Paul II was deeply moved by our charism and urged us to carry on with it, something he termed as the "New Evangelisation". Being in the Way for 4 years, I've seen how people really become more Christian-like as they take up their crosses. That gives me hope that I could one day be a true disciple of Christ. But don't be mistaken! The NC Way is but only one of the charisms of the church! We definitely do not put down other groups such as the Legion of Mary etc. Hope that helps abit. =)

February 4, 2007 at 10:59 PM
David R. said...

I am in the Way. Am a cradle Catholic. And I have never had my faith more enriched than through the Way. All of your information and assessment is incorrect. The last four Popes, including the conservative Ratzinger (now Benedict XVI), have approved of every ounce of the movement. One should investigate thoroughly before making claims about which you are uninformed. A letter to Kiko and Carmen from Cardinal Arinze (just over a year ago - CNS 12/28/05) confirmed most, if not all, of what is practiced. It is completely and entirely in line with every doctrine of the Church. The only changes were that were asked by Arinze... that we take two years to phase out not sitting around the altar for Eucharist and that those more senior members in the Way attend Mass with the regular congregation at least once per month. Kiko Arguello and Carmen Hernandez, initiators of the Way, are meeting with the Cardinals now to determine the Eucharist practice. We have and will continue to follow the Vatican, Church traditiona and doctrine.

February 4, 2007 at 11:02 PM
David R. said...

Forgive my wrath in my words b/c of frustration. There is 100 times the persecution and 1/100th the real truth about The Way out there. Do your homework and you will find we do nothing wrong. There are just a lot of older charisms that are threaten by The Way.

Peace to you all

February 5, 2007 at 8:44 PM
ALF said...

I'M IN THE WAY AND I THINK ONE SHOULD GO TO THE CATEQUESIS JUST FOR CURIOUSITY TO SEE WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT. BEFORE USING THE WEB TO SHARE FALSE CLAIMS, PLEASE INVESTIGATE MORE. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN THERE IS NOT PERSUCUSION, SOMETHING'S WRONG.
JESUS DIED *AND* ROSE FROM DEATH, SO WE CAN HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, AND BE FREE FROM SLAVERY.

February 8, 2007 at 4:29 PM
Moneybags said...

So many people are disagreeing with my post. Let me point out that I researched the liturgical abuses through orthodox Catholic websites like EWTN.

If you think the Way is liturgically beneficial, please provide source to back up your claims.

February 9, 2007 at 7:45 AM
Anonymous said...

I have not found ONE memeber of the NCW where I live that knows anything about the Liturgical norms of the Catholic Church! And in the last 3 years I have attended about 150 NCW masses with my wife who belongs to this group.

What some posters have said about the NCW being completely approved by Rome is FALSE. The NCW must CHANGE in almost countless ways, to conform to Church liturgical laws and 'norms'.

One of the worst abuses is their 'echo's'..or 'lay testamonies'.. which they will try to defend in every way. But in the Arinze Letter it clearly says:

"Careful attention must be paid to the instruction "Redemptionis Sacramentum", n. 74."

and here is what RS says:

[74.] If the need arises for the gathered faithful to be given instruction or testimony by a layperson in a Church concerning the Christian life, it is altogether preferable that this be done outside Mass. Nevertheless, for serious reasons it is permissible that this type of instruction or testimony be given after the Priest has proclaimed the Prayer after Communion. This should not become a regular practice, however. Furthermore, these instructions and testimony should not be of such a nature that they could be confused with the homily,[156] nor is it permissible to dispense with the homily on their account.)

This is only 1 abuse!! What about the priests that commonly preach seated at their chairs? No offeratory gifts presented at the Mass, but brought by the Servers from the Sanctuary? Servers distributing Communion? Dancing around the alter at the Closing hymn? Music played during the priests Eucharistic Prayer? Using only Eucharistic Prayer#2? Flowers on the Alter? Priests don't receive communion at the Altar, but seated? etc..etc.. etc..

The NCW needs to follow the teachings of the Church! This is why the Vatican insisted in the first instruction of this letter:

"In the celebration of the Holy Mass, the Neocatechumenal Way shall accept and follow the liturgical books approved by the Church, without omitting or adding anything."

Please NCW members..don't preach about how virtuous your group is UNTIL you have decided to obey these instructions of the Holy See! And STOP twisting these instructions to serve your OWN needs! OBEY..."without omitting or adding ANYTHING!!
...then indeed you will be FAITHFUL Catholics! Until then, just a rebellious fringe group..like the countless others out there!

---- awlms

February 19, 2007 at 9:00 AM
Anonymous said...

Dear moneybags, I think u should check the Vatican official web site, or check for ex. "http://www.cathnews.com/news/403/114.php" under the title "Pope praises Neocatechumenal Way's formation work"

February 23, 2007 at 10:50 AM
Anonymous said...

The Neocatechumenate is difficult to pigeon hole: it is doctrinally conservative but liturgically progressive. It encourages people who have often been lapsed or far away from the Church to live their moral life in conformity with the magisterium but asks this of them in stages. It encourages people even to be heroic, to have large Christian families, to leave everything to evangelise. Values which I think we all subscribe to. Style of liturgy is important and many different points of emphasis can be sincerely and correctly argued. I have found much to praise in Traditionalists I know well, and they would say the same of me. Let us not fiddle over liturgical questions while the world plunges ever further into a culture of death. The Way is not for everyone, but it can and has helped many.

February 24, 2007 at 11:03 PM
jim said...

The Neocatechumenal Way is faithful to the Magesterium of the Church. It is A way of Christian inititiation leading to an adult faith. Most cradle Catholics have a first Communion/Confirmation education in the faith. Most lack an experience of faith and have only a head knowledge. The NeocatehumenalWay allows each of us to rediscover our Baptism and follows the different rites shown in the RCIA program. These rites take place over a number of years, not over one or two as in the RCIA. The members of the NCW are followed by their catehchists every step of the way. I would surmise that the members of the NCW are actually more CATHOLIC than most others, attend Mass and go to Confession more frquently as well as give more to support the Church. The NCW also encourages us to pray, tithe and to be open to life. Many members of my community of 40 have over 9 children. One couple has 14, I have 13, one has 11, two have 10, etc. All these children are fruit of the Neocatechumenal way, and gifts of God. 5 Seminaries have also been opened in the USA filled with children of the Way. The NCW is indeed a fruit of the Holy Spirit and a great gift to the Church.

March 2, 2007 at 10:06 AM
Al Williams said...

New information on the NCW. This time from the leading Bishops(10) and religious leaders(1) of the various rites in the Holy Land.


[Text of the Entire Letter from the Bishops of the Holy Land to the NeoCatechumental Way translated from the SPANISH TO ENGLISH using Google, and minor translation clarifications made by A. Williams. Obviously this is not a perfect translation, due to it being based primarily on the Google program, and then with some overlays from the Zenit translation'quotes' above, and then some additional 'un professional' clarifications from myself. Again, it's not perfect but it is still intelligable and better than the deficient ENGLISH 'summary' of the letter given by ZENIT on Feb.27, 2007. Maybe this will 'help' until an authentic translation can be made in the Engish of this important letter.
Code: ZS07022703
Date publication: 2007-02-27

Welcome and indications of the catholic bishops of Holy Land to the Neocatecumenal Way


Letter to the Neocatecumenal Way in the Holy Land


Brothers and sisters of the Neocatecumenal Way:

1. The peace of Our Lord Jesus Christ be always with you.

We, Ordinaries of the Holy Land, directed this letter to you at the beginning of Lent, within the framework of the common Pastoral Plan for this year, whose subject is catechesis and religious education in the parish.

Brothers and sisters of the Way: you are welcome in our dioceses. We give thanks to God for the grace that the Lord has given you and for the charisma that the Holy Spirit has instilled in the Church through your ministry of the post-baptismal formation. We are grateful for your presence in some of our parishes, for the preaching of the Word of God, for the help given to our faithful in deepening their faith and in rooting them into their own local church, in “a synthesis of kerigmatic preaching, change of life and liturgy” (Statutes, art. 8).

Following the Letter that Pope Benedict XVI directed to you the 12th of January of 2006 [v. Zenith, 12 January 2006. Ndr], and the one of the Congregation for the Divine Cult of 1st of December of 2005 [v. Zenith, 1 January 2006. Ndr], we request to you that you occupy a place in the heart of the parish in that you announce the Word of God, avoiding to make a group aside. We would wish that you could say with St. Paul: “For whereas I was free as to all, I made myself the servant of all, that I might gain the more. ” (I Co 9, 19).

The principle to that we must all together remain faithful and to inform our pastoral action would have to be “one parish and one Eucaristía”. Your first duty, therefore, is to root (the faithful) in the parishes and in their own liturgical traditions in which they have grown for generations

In the East, our liturgy and our traditions are very important to us. It is the liturgy that has contributed much to conserve the Christian faith in our towns throughout history. The rite is like an identity card and not only a way among others to pray. We request that you have the charity to include, understand and to respect the attachment of our faithful to their own liturgies.

2. The Eucharist is the sacrament of unity in the parish and not of division. We request therefore that in the eucarístic celebrations, in all the Eastern rites, and in addition in the Latin rite, they are always presided over by the parish priest, or, in the case of the Latin rite, in the heat of agreement with him. You celebrate the Eucharist with the parish and according to the way of the local Church. “There where is the bishop, is the church”, wrote St. Ignatius of Antioch. You teach to the faithful the love by its liturgical traditions and put your charisma to the service of the unit.

3. We request in addition that you seriously study the language and the culture of the people, in a sign of respect towards them ...understanding its soul and its history, in the context of the Holy Land: religious, cultural and national pluralism. In addition, in our countries, Palestine, Israel, Jordan, all are in the search of peace and justice, a search that integrally comprises our lives as Christians. All preaching would have to orient to the faithful the concrete attitudes that there are in the diverse contexts of life and in their own situation of conflicts that continue in Palestine: attitudes of pardon and love towards the enemy, on the one hand, and by another one, exigency of their own rights, especially dignity, freedom and justice.

We request that you preach a Gospel incarnated in the life, a Gospel that illuminates all aspects of life and roots itself to the faithful in Jesus Christ Revived and all his human atmosphere, cultural and eclesial.

We request that God overwhelms your hearts with His strength and His love, and that He grants grace to you so that you can overwhelm the hearts of the faithful with its love and its strength.

Jerusalem, 25 of February of 2007

+ Michel Sabbah, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem
+ Elias Shakour, catholic greco-melquita archbishop of Acri, Haifa, Nazaret and of all Galilea
+ George El-Murr, catholic greco-melquita archbishop of Filadelfia, Petra and of Jordan
+ Paul Sayyah, maronita archbishop of Haifa and Earth Santa, and exarca patriarcal maronita of Jerusalem, the Palestinian Territories and Jordan
+ Fouad Twal, Latin coassistant bishop, Jerusalem
+ Kamal Bathish, Latin auxiliary bishop, Jerusalem
+ Selim Sayegh, Latin patriarcal vicar for Jordan
+ Giacinto-Boulos Marcuzzo, Latin patriarcal vicar for Israel
+ Pierre Melki, exarca patriarcal siro-catholic of Jerusaén, Earth Santa and Jordan
+ George Bakar, exarca patriarcal catholic greco-melquita of Jerusalem
Rafael Minassian, exarca patriarcal Armenian catholic of Jerusalem, Earth Santa and Jordan

[Original Translation of the Italian made by Zenith]

March 10, 2007 at 4:57 AM
Anonymous said...

hi im 14 years old n im in the nw i began to come as my parents started about 20 years ago. like a couple of othere people have said who also go to the nw there is alot of critisim about what its about and the sort of things we do. however being in the community myself i have recieved many graces even at this young age have seen God act in many areas of my life. Many of u who are not apart of the way say its against the way the vatican wants but infact we listen to wat the pope wants and he knows tht this community is going on. Anyway all you who say you dnt agree or who arent sure about the community i urge u to go to a catechisis as if u really listen and are humble enough to accept wot is being said u will recieve many graces in ure life and u will see God act jst like i have. and also i no its hard to understand wot im trying to explain but also please go onto the links tht the others in the community have posted they will relli help. But b4 u think were doing sumthink wrong plz go and listen to a catechisi openly and see if u hear anything for ure life.

March 11, 2007 at 7:20 PM
Glen said...

hey i'm 17 and i'm in the NW as well. I also agree that the way has dramatically changed my life. Before i was in the way i used to attend sunday mass, but i didn't really get a feel for it. The way has helped me get a better understanding of what life is for, and how i should live it. Especially living in world that tells you that everythings okay. A materialistic wrold that that encourages drugs, sex,and alcohol. Look at our schools they tell us we can't pray but then tell us to use protection. Being in the way has allowed to get deeper understanding of my catholic religion and this is done through the the WORD, the EUCHARIST and monthly CONVAVINCE. So i also encourage who ever can to attend the Catechist, because before i joined i also used to chritisize and judge the way. I used to think it was a brain washing sect, but know i see how wrong i was. I was even amazed when i found out that right now there are many mambers of the way that have given up everything, their homes, their cars, their money and why? to follow Jesus. They leave everything except the clothes on their backs and go and spread the word of GOD in other nations. Thats what i admire about the way as well it tests your fate, are you willing to leave everything for GOD? So i strongly encourage all of you to experience the way for yourselves :D

March 13, 2007 at 3:51 AM
Peter7373 said...

Hello. My name is Peter and I was involved in the NCW for a period of 15 years. I stopped attending due to pressures of "group think" and my rejection of the internal-hierachy of this organization. I will write more about this soon.

But before commenting any further, I would like to thank the NCW for assisting my parents in their struggles to hold their married life together as well as help to reconsile differences with their children (including me).

Like most followers of the NCW, my parents were on the verge of divorce and had huge money problems. As with most families facing this sort of situation, the kids had the most disadvantage.

The NCW provided my parents, as well as their children too young to fend for themselves, a platform to allow for personal growth and development within the current Catholic teachings. I personally found the NCW to be very compasionate and understanding of the situations facing broken families and people who have been 'broken by the world'. And until today, I have not come across another community that has the capasity to provide a sense of courage and self-worth to people who have considered themselves to be worthless, helpless and over burdened.

However, the perceptions I have formed about this NCW have evolved as the communities developed their own inter-cultures.

Understandably, people from broken backgrounds (especially the poor, sick, suffering and confused) are the first to realize the benifit of the NCW and are also the loudest defenders of it.

Making reference to Gennarini's comment that more than 70% of the NCW followers were once non-practicing Catholics, it is common to find that the NCW members disconnected with traditional forms of the litergy/eucharist. And for them, rightly so, as it hadn't helped them in their 'time of need'.

In my opinion, NCW followers grasp onto the idea that it is not the technique/tradition in which the litergies/euchaists are celebrated, but instead the vigour & sustinance of the celebrations. This, in my opinion, has constructive and destructive consequences.

Firstly, it provides an environment in which these 'converts' feel safe and apart of a community of 'similar' people.

As a consequence, and secondly, it closes off the traditional parishioners from taking part in NCW celebrations due to the differing litergical techniques and the sense of exclusivity between its 'like' members.

Further to this, it is common that once these communities have been around for long enough, they start to form negative opinions about the 'normal' way of celebrating mass. "It is dated, it is boring, the 'word' is not applied to the individual" and therefore the congregation have nothing to gain.

At this point, NCW's also feel more 'Catholic' than normal church goers and are instructed to announce the Gospel to the normal parishioners. Door knocking, announcements and public displays/gatherings are methods of prospecting for these groups. In my opinion, these acts fuel the mutual feeling of exclusivity amoungst the members and further divide the gap between themselves and the traditional church go'ers.

It is no wonder why NCW followers have little regards for the traditional rites of the Catholic Church, as the charisms of the NCW provide them with a better sense of fulfillment.

It is my wish that both NCW members and the traditional parishioners reach a level of understanding and respect for each other. Issues about putting flowers on the alter and singing with guitars are secondary to the need to reach people in need, who would otherwise be forgotten by the Church.

It is important to understand that the NCW now has an important place in todays Church, recognised by the creation of the 'statutes'.

It is also my wish that the NCW followers remember their individuality, respect the decisions of others if they don't attend talks and such. And to eliminate their one-sided views on the evangelization of the Catholic Church.

Once the NCW is integrated back into traditional church activites, this gap won't be so wide. The difficulty I forecast will be the acceptance of traditional rites over NCW rites or vise-versa.

Until now, the NCW have produced fantastic results for the Catholic Church. I hope this won't be used as leverage by the NCW to justify its existance and cause further divisions within the Church.


One bread, one body.



Peter Nyers

March 25, 2007 at 9:41 PM
Bianca Lisa said...

May the peace of Christ risen be on all of you. My name is Bianca, I am sixteen, and I have been walking in a Neocatechumenal Community for about four years now. Before I entered the community, I did not accept my father, especially his erratic behavior due to his bipolar. I had severe self esteem problems and hated everyone and everything around me. I did not see the plan God had in my life.

God sent me the good news about a catechesis, and the thoughts of suicide went away. I love my father, and I have accepted people for who they are. I am not saying I am perfect, nor will I ever be. All I know now is that God truly loves me.

Now, how can you criticize a group that can do that for people?

I understand that there have been misconceptions encircling the Neocatechumenal Way. Also, some of these criticisms are either rumors or isolated problems that reflect certain people, not the group as a whole. If you want to be further educated, and not just ignorantly opinionated, I suggest reading the book "Dayenu, los origenes de la eucaristia". This will explain many aspects of the eucharist of which we celebrate. Also, I suggest reading real articles, not just wikipedia. I also present to you a solution: if you are really determined in your battel against the Neocatechumenal communities, please attend some catechesis so that you may either understand our beliefs or perhaps even properly have evidence to oppose us.

Regardless of your attacks, you are still in my prayers in the hopes that you will one day accept all brothers and sisters in Christ, and remove the blindfold of hate you have against a way of life you have not researched.

Thank you, and God Bless.

March 26, 2007 at 9:53 PM
Alicia said...

Wow you seem to be a 'smart' person. so for you to base your opinios on what you find in wikipedia is just a wrong. Personaly i would do some hands on reasearch i mean all you are reading are baised oppinions of the way. so a person shouldn't base their oppinion on something some one else has done. Now while i think the celebration is good for the times we live in because well the world is changing and the church needs to keep up with it. While I might be giving you a some what baised look on the way i'm trying not to be so forceful and mean about it. I my self have been walking in this way for about 10 yrs. yes I am a young person trying really hard not to fall in this world that glorifies sin. The way is a good thing for some people and for others it's not. Some people just can't face the reality of their sins the way the you are forced to do in the Neo-Catechumenal Way

March 29, 2007 at 8:35 PM
Anonymous said...

The way came into my local parish very slowly and began to take over. They have alienated the traditonal members of the parish, to the point that most of them have left to join other parishes. Most of the traditional parishers left are elderly and cant get to the other parish in town. I attended a catechis, and attended neocat masses for a couple of years. Some of the members have been with the ncw for over 20 years. They can be very arrogant. They think that the ncw is the only way, and the only way to salvation is through the ncw. I have also heard the leaders speak in person, kiko and carmen. while kiko was interesting to listen to carmen was "way out there". I had probelms with the doctrine, when I asked questions, they were never answered.
As of now the ncw at my parish appears to be flourishing, there are at least 5 communities. Mission families etc. When you look inside you realize that most of the communities ae made up of the children from paents of the first community as many of the first community families have over 6 children. If one attends a catechsis, one never feels really welcome. Outsiders come and go rather quickly. I dont know where the ncw is headed in the USA. I know there was a problem with them in england several years ago.

April 1, 2007 at 10:07 AM
Anonymous said...

I think it is really sad that within the Catholic there is so much division.

We are all Catholics.

I started in the way only 4 years ago after having spent 5 years away from church. I can understand how people who haven't heard the catechesis may feel, but what I find really disgusting is how judgements can be made without proper information. Even then, as i said before, we are all Catholic. I guess that is because people and their ego's are involved...and they feel threatened.

For the record, since I have joined the way, i have become more active in my local parish as well as in the community.

April 1, 2007 at 11:19 AM
Moneybags said...

But at what cost is all the good? Answer: Liturgical abuses!

April 5, 2007 at 5:23 AM
Anonymous said...

well...what exactly do you mean by liturgical abuses? because the mass of the ncw is different from the ordinary mass does it constitute as an abuse?

April 5, 2007 at 6:50 AM
Moneybags said...

Liturgical abuses are things that are part of the liturgy although the Holy Church, the Vatican, has declared it should not take place. Here are some of the abuses done by the Way that were included in the original post:

"...such as standing at the Consecration, decorating the Altar with flowers, dancing around the Altar, or 'Table' as they call it, after Mass, accompanying the chanting of the Eucharistic Prayer with guitars"

http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/badliturgy.htm

April 5, 2007 at 1:21 PM
Anonymous said...

My parents have been walking in the Neocatechumenal Way for several years now and ever since then things in my family have gone from wrong to right. God is with the Neocatechumenal Way. If the Neocatechumenal Way is still running it is because the Way speaks the truth and God is with the truth.

April 10, 2007 at 11:34 PM
Aldo said...

<<<< I wish you all a very nice day =). I find it hard to believe that such a serious criticism about a catholic mystery is being made in a catholic web-site. I walk in the NC Way and find it a very profound and strong method of conversion. I have witness such miracles and improvements in so many lives, including mine. I know that this way is not for everyone, but please stop making accusations, because it may spoil the conversion of someone. It really isn’t a very Christian thing to do. We, Catholics should support each other despite our differences. It shouldn’t matter if we put flowers on the altar, when we are trying to spread the light of God in the world.>>>>

April 11, 2007 at 2:10 AM
Anonymous said...

Well I can see why people that are not in the way can make judgements so easily. God has not worked in your life. If the neos are abusing the "mass" why are communities still around? Why are they accepted? I am sure that if this was beakinking doctrine the pope would banish them. I am in a community and I attend mass every Sunday, which doing both does not make me any better! I sin everyday. And I equally enjoy attending both services. In fact if not more than 70% of lectors, Eucharistic ministers and the ushers are in the way. The church secretary is in the way.
My dad was a lost sheep. He had my brother at 16 and did every drug that went his way, and he has been walking for around 17 years, and has been sober from alcohol and drugs for 17 years. My parent's marriage went through a lot of ups and downs and they have been married 25 years and struggle everyday, but they are together. The community helps to communicate with others to give support to others. Why would you give something that helps others up. The way is not for everyone, but the people in the way can be a light to others. Everyone has their calling maybe to be in another group in the parish, like the knights of columbus, or the Jovenas para christo.
My parents never forced me to join a community, and not until I was 22 I was invited to a chatechisis and that is when I finaly understood WHY they do the things the way they do them. It is all explained in a chatechisis. If you really have some issues with the way, EDUCATE yourself! It will help you. Even if it does not change your perspective on the way at least you will have the facts.

April 12, 2007 at 5:50 PM
Anonymous said...

TO THE AUTHOR OF THIS ARTICLE.........GOOD JOB IN THROWING THE FIRST ROCK!

April 12, 2007 at 6:10 PM
Moneybags said...

If the Way is so holy and great, please provide urls so that I may research this further.

Thank you

April 21, 2007 at 9:09 PM
Anonymous said...

dear brother, real truth is learned thru experience, and not just by reading and researching. have an experience of that neo catechumenal way yourself to help you confirm or clarify your doubts. for sure, those people in the way don't have the right to keep you whenever you want to end the experience.

but i suggest that we use this very useful tool for communication to help and support each other as members and parts of the whole body 'the Church'. each part has different functions and charisms but each one works for the good of the whole. instead of spreading the 'battle of hate', why not exchange our experiences of love of God?

the Gospel itself says that a tree can be told by its own fruit, as a good tree can't produce bad fruit nor a bad tree can produce good fruit. so, if you really want to know if this 'Way' is coming from God and an authentic part of the Church and not just merely a product of imagination of few people, please do check the fruit.

each one of us has imperfections, that's for sure. but we can help each other to correct them, instead of bringing each other to court just to prove those imperfections.

Peace of Christ be with you!

April 22, 2007 at 11:43 AM
Anonymous said...

The Neocatechumenal Way, is neither "Holy or Great" as some have suggested. It is as the Church, a hospital for sinners. Most Catholics are cradle Catholics and as such, lack a "conversion" experience, we tend to have knowledge of the faith but lack in experiencing concretely the truth of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
In the communities of the NCW each of us begin to walk in faith, rediscovering our Baptism, little by little. We discover our weaknesses, the depths of our sin, and learn to ask forgiveness of the other and announce the good news of Jesus Christ to the world. There is a tremendous response in the NCW in the call for vocations. Parents encourage their sons to be open to the call of God to the priesthood and their daughters to be open to the religious life. How often do we hear a strong call from the pulpit for priests and sisters? Yet in the NCW there are numerous times a year in which that call is placed within the hearts of all. God has blessed the Neocatechumenal Way with over 60 seminaries and more on the way. These seminaries are diocesan and under the direction of the local bishop, yet they are missionary seminaries with priest willing to go anywhere in the world at the request of the bishop and catechists. The NCW has hundreds of families on family missions bringing the message of Jesus Christ, a new evangilization! Let us pray for the Church and for the gift of the Neocatechumeal Way within the Church.

May 7, 2007 at 7:57 PM
janice said...

No matter what else you do in your life...attend a catechesis. I have been in the way for 20 years. I have seen many, many miracles. The truth has many enemies. Think about it....the Devil KNOWS which bank to rob. This "WAY" is a gift to us from our "Mother" the Church. Your marriage,your family, and your faith will be strengthened. This is a way of life. Your children will grow up in the church. They will be vaccinated against the rabid attacks of the Devil who does exist. Janice

May 23, 2007 at 1:29 AM
DARCY said...

The most important question to ask about the Neocatechumenal Way, or the way as they call it, is this; Who sanctioned this corruption in the "catholic church"?

I have been there and done that as they say. It has been a long painful journey back to Catholic Reality. I am a born-again Catholic. You here a lot about born again Catholics but little about born again Catholics, because they are so few.

The Catholic church to which the majority belong is a schismatic church. It is a man made church of the new world order. Inside this "church" with its all new "sacraments" there is no salvation.

Consider this: John Paul II also approved of voodoo.

May 23, 2007 at 7:29 PM
Anonymous said...

MoneyBags as requested a link http://www.rcdow.org.uk/diocese/default.asp?content_ref=1216

May 23, 2007 at 7:30 PM
Anonymous said...

I'm sure that you have all seen the news about Pope Benedict supporting the way in South America.

May 23, 2007 at 10:13 PM
Seminarian Matthew said...

Darcy, where/when did Pope John Paul ll aprove of voodoo?

May 27, 2007 at 8:59 PM
Anonymous said...

Another link demonstrating the Popes support of the Neocatechumenal way.
http://www.theindiancatholic.com/newsread.asp?nid=7331

July 9, 2007 at 3:32 PM
Timothy said...

The neocatechumenal way has done far more good than bad..and the testimonies of bad, especially those that have been commented about on in this blog are less than cause for alarm. Yes, there are liturgical issues but honestly i am sick of all the annoying comments about "liturgical abuses" coming from so called "traditional" catholics such as the one that writes this blog. OUR CATHOLIC CHURCH in this moment is dying. The laity are not being educated in local parishes nor receiving formation in their faith in their dioceses. The average parish today is a sad affair, and our youth groups are poor excuses for protestant worship groups... Movements such as the neocatechumenal way are changing this fact and saving our Church! The same can be said for groups such as opus dei and liberation and communion. YES, the liturgical issues must be reckoned with but to bash a group...who is completely and wholly catholic and not LIBERAL (in the american sense) in the least, is ridiculous and does more harm than good. I just got done studying for a year in chile where i often attened the NCW mass with my girlfriend...it is truly a gift from God, and the community inside and outside is thriving as a result. Also, specifically to moneybags...many groups put flowers on the altar...even opus dei which is very conservative; i think it might be a latin american or spanish thing. Anyway this probably didnt help anyone but I really just want to get across the fact that i am sick of so many "traditional" catholics bashing supposed liturgical abuses among other things, i am not saying you parent right...but please step of your high horse and take a little dose of reality before you go on your usual tirades... It could be that you aren't seeing the whole picture through the tiny window of your ivory tower. For the record, i too am what one would call a conservative cahtolic although i hate the terminology...but I am all for those groups that are FINALLY giving much needed formation to the laity in our church...something the Vatican has been unable to achieve. Thank God for such movements.

July 11, 2007 at 7:35 PM
Anonymous said...

I have to say that I disagree with you. I have been active in this Way since I was 2 years of age and it has changed my life. I highly suggest that you get in contact with a catechist of the Way and speak to them so you can better understand it. I noticed that you pointed out some "abuses" without the explination for why we do these things, or what we do instead. For example, if it makes any difference, we bow when the Eucharist is consecrated instead of kneeling. Some people may find that helpful to know.
At any rate, you should attend a catechesus if you really want to know more about it. It does such a huge amount of positivce things for this world that some of the "abuses" you meantioned really don't matter compared to the good. Thats just my opinion, and I know that some people don't agree, but I don't think that God would be that picky. Please consider finding out more about it from people who have devoted their lives to it because I would love it if you understood it better. I also have to say I respect you for asking other people on here to tell you more before you set your opinion in stone.

July 11, 2007 at 7:48 PM
Anonymous said...

About what you said about sin, redemption, and the mass; you didn't meantion (or likely haven't heard) the explinations behind all of those. About sin, the teaching there is that we like to give credit to ourselves when we do somehting good and have a tendancy to think we did it of our own power. The Way simply teaches that this is not true, God empowers us to do all good things and nothing is possible without him. He gets the credit for the good things you do because it is in man's nature to sin. About redemption, there was clearly an explnation following that phrase that you did not post, however, I don't feel I have the authority to speak on such a matter. And then the mass, I have to say the same thing. My catechists (for I am also in the Way) would suggest that you speak to one of them about that as well. I don't want to risk someone taking my own explination wrong. But you get my point, the Way does not say such things without telling you why. If you would like to hear the explinations of the things I did not speak on, ask any catechist or responsible (community leader) of the Way and they will tell you.

July 11, 2007 at 7:56 PM
Emily said...

I disagree with the person who said to avoid the Way. My best friend's family is a part of it and I have attended a few liturgies with them and it really touched me. Everyone in the Way was so welcoming and kind and they treated everyone like family. When they preformed the liturgy, they focused more on the word than just an ordinary mass and I really enjoyed it. They also had times where you could speak up about how the scriptures had moved you in your life situation for that time. And it is true that at the end everyone danced around the altar, but I think that really good because mass is supposed to be a celebration; hence "celebration of the eucharist". But you should really talk to someone about this who is a part of the Way because it really moved me and made me feel more connected to God's word. It made me want to get up and sing for the Lord with all my heart and that's how we should always feel.

August 23, 2007 at 2:38 AM
Anonymous said...

Ciao e pace! I know this is an old post, yet I would very much like to post a reaction.

I must admit that the title of your post "avoid the Neo-way" shocked me a little. I also appreciate the reactions of "my" brothers and sisters in the Way, and would like to agree with the posts of Peter Nyles and Timothy. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

I myself am in the Way (in the Netherlands, I'm Dutch) and I am extremely thankful to God that he has led me to this path.

I would like to give a reaction to these questions: "Hopefully they have started to comply with the instructions from the Vatican." The answer is yes. The communities in Holland do follow and obey the instructions from the Vatican. The NCW members in Holland have absolutely no intention of becoming a sect and therefore obey the instructions received from the Vatican - this in regard to the advice as given in the letter posted previously.

And regarding the picture of the baptism… and the comment "I think it would be more appropriate for the Priest to baptize and not the Deacon." I know for certain that the man who is baptising the child is a priest and I am nearly 100% sure that this photograph has been taken during an Easter Wake of the Neocatechumenal Way. There are always many priests present during the Easter Wake, and a priest will change out of his chasuble and wear an alb (baptismal garment) whilst performing (for want of a better word) the sacrament of baptism.

I was baptised last year during the Easter Wake. The preparation for my baptism took four years. And not because I am simpleminded, but more so my catechists and priest – as any other in the world – take time to prepare one for this profound and life changing (I feel I have no words to be able to explain the Grace I have received during my baptism) “experience”. The Neocatechumenalway has opened a spiritual path for me, so precious.

Also, I attend "regular" Mass (Latin) also. Close to my home the Sisters of the order of the Institute of the Servants of the Lord and the Virgin of Matará have opened an apostolic monastery at the request of our Bishop. Our Bishop has also approved the Way in our Diocese and has allowed the opening of a seminary. Four brothers in my community are seminarians and I am very thankful that I have the privilege to Walk with them.

In the world today, it is not an easy task – the calling to priesthood. In my own diocese there are (only!) 72 priests – many towns only have one Eucharist in a month! Many parishes are run by lay people who, when there is a priest present, usually are not subordinate towards the priest. Especially in the Netherlands there is little respect for priests and many priests find they are the subject of either ridicule, or their views on the holy sacraments are thought of as old fashioned etc etc. I sincerely hope that there will be a time when you realise or see that the charisma of the NCW is there as a tool to help people better understand the value of the sacraments and the role of the Church in society today, so that you are enabled to take a more humble stance in your views towards this charisma. Yes, we do sing and play guitar, djembé and tambourine during our services (did not David urge us to do so?). All of the NCW ‘songs’ are actually taken from the Bible word for word. Once you learn the ‘songs’ (and each ‘song’ has a catecheses attached to it) you will have learned a major part of the Bible by heart. Whereas during ‘regular’ Mass in Holland (apart from the liturgy) choirs sing protestant songs. My children know many psalms by heart, including the Magnificat and the Benedictus – the song of praise by Tobit – the stories of Mozes, Jacob, the three youths who are thrown in a pit fire by the evil king Nebudkadnessar, the teachings of Christ (sermon on the mount), the visions of Johannes in the Apocalypse – and the list goes on. My children are taught the value of prayer, the value of the sacraments (Eucharist, confession, marriage, priesthood etc.).

Does it bother you that my 16 year old daughter would rather attend a NCW Mass on Saturday evening, rather than go out to a disco? Rather listen to the catechesis and the teachings of Christ than listen to the (mostly negative) catecheses of the world? Which teaches our children that, above all things, most valued in this world are outward appearances (selfishness), drugs (its okay!), alcohol (go on, let your hair down) and sex (relationships with the other sex can only have meaning if you give (abuse) your body). I am thankful for this way and it serves my family well. And if the NCW is not for you, than there are many other charismas in the Catholic church that might appeal and that is fine as well – the NCW do not proclaim themselves as being ‘the’ Way, but ‘a’ way and do not judge others when or if they find that the NCW is the path to follow for them. Let us be at peace with each other and create an environment of understanding for, besides our differences, we are all in love with Christ and try to serve and follow Him to the best of our ability. Peace

September 5, 2007 at 9:26 AM
Anonymous said...

WELL TO U ALL OUT THERE THAT ARE BLIND I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT IVE BEEN IN THE NCW AND NOW THAT I GOT OUT I REGRET IT SOO DAMN BAD. WELL I JUST HAVE TO SAY TO INVESTIGATE INSTEAD OF BEING SO IGNORANT ABOUT LIFE. LIFE ISA IN THE NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY. IF ANY OF U NEED ME TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE FEEL FREE TO EMAIL ME AND ILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER UR QUESTION OR ANY CONCERNS. babytearz5@hotmail.com

September 7, 2007 at 12:50 AM
Anonymous said...

I read somewhere in the Bible that the phariseos asked Jesus why his disciples do not follow the tradition that they didnt wash their hands to eat, and also that phariseos were concerned more of having the cup cleaned forgetting to practice act of love. I see that you and others are against the CW concerned more of the lithurgy (the law) than what the CW do to people to convert their lives to God. I have seen it in my life. I was a traditional catholic, used to go to mass every Sunday, but it was very common to hear among my acquaintances about divorce, fornication, adultery, abortion, judgement, disrespect like normal practice in their lives. People going to mass and forgetting everything about it once they were outside the church. The Gospel and the homily were applied to somebody else but not to themselves. I've seen how my marriage was saved, how my husband left alcohol, how I recognized myself as a sinner because before I thought it was ok if I didnt do any harm to anybody. All this thanks to the CW. How Saint Paul Epistles were applicable in the communities, were the brothers and sisters prayed for each other in every problem we had.It will be countless to talk about the goodness of the CW. Respecting other groups from catholic or other churches, I have found tha the CW is a real and truthful way to hollyness. In the CW, money is not important. The eucharisty is never interrupted to collect money. During the retreats, money to pay the expenses is collected at the end, with the assurance that God will provide. Love to God and Love to the Other is most important than anything else. Where the Other is Jesus. The lithurgy is solemn and full of dignity, that we have to dress up like if going to a banquet. fasting, love and praying is encouraged. Constant conversation with God reading the Bible. Is there anything wrong with the CW because we have get to know Jesus Christ as the center of our lives? Is there anything wrong that thru the CW we have understood that we have to carry our cross, accepting and loving it as our way for salvation. Love to the needed. and not have money as and Idol because God will provide. Thanks to God that He called me one day to the Neocatecumenal Way.

September 14, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Me said...

I am a former member of the neocatechumenal way, I spent close to a year in a community and I
must say that I came out very disappointed with so many of their practices that I had to leave.
There are so many strange and disappointing practices in the way that It's hard to pick a starting
point, so I will just go ahead with the things that displeased me the most. First of all, the liturgy... I was really bothered by how one receives communion in the hand by force, one does not have the option that is given by the Roman rite to receive communion either in the tongue
or in the hand. This abuse bothered me because the neocatechumenal consecrated bread leaves many residues and crumbs in your hands that are very difficult to clean, I found myself having to pick up fragments of the Eucharist for several minutes after consuming it, and as if that experience wasn't unpleasant enough
I found my self the target of spiteful looks by the more seniour members of the older communities (sitting right across from me) whenever I plucked the crumbs from my hands. I asked many times about this issue of the crumbs and
the answers I got were silly and insulting, I was fist told that there were no crumbs left, that it was all part of my imagination (believe it or not), then I was told not to worry about the things that I didn't like and to worry about the good things of the way, and then I was told that the bread gave out crumbs because it
wasn't cooked right by those who were supposed to prepare the bread(Are you confused yet?). I also didn't like being forced to stand up during the consecration. In the Roman right you are supposed to kneel, and no one can force you not to keel before the Lord, yet this is another right I was denied... I was scoffingly told: "you will understand this later", or, "focus on the good, don't focus on what you don't understand yet". I can't think of any excuse to receive sacrilegiously the Body of Our Lord...one small fragment equals the full body and blood/soul and divinity....

September 24, 2007 at 11:19 PM
Anonymous said...

first of all i would say that being in the way gives me a lot more difficulty than i thought most people in the way are criticized on what they are doing still i believe that we should support each other even though there are a lot of differences among ourselves I'm also in the way but at present times i do not attend because I'm always busy but the truth is I'm just being pulled away by this materialistic world still i regret it in some part of me .I understand that I'm still a sinner and maybe I'm still not prepared. Being in the way i first thought that this is better than others but the way made me realized that I'm no better than others. the way made me realized to be honest to myself on how i face this world. the way has dramatically change my life that's why I've found out that way is really beneficial to the community

September 28, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Anonymous said...

aviod the neocatechumenal way??
well it seems you don't know all that much about it... great source you've got there WIKIPEDIA! i commend you extensive research! the 2 most recent popes have shown there full support of the neocatechumenal way, we are not a threat obviously. your veiws on worship may be different to ours (flowers on the alter, shock horror!), but after all we beleieve in the same god and people can find there own way of worship. have you ever been to the community before? seriously people you can't say 'avoid the neocat way' because of a second hand source. i have been to many as well as attending conventional church, i know that for many people of my age group (i'm 17) the neocatechumenal way is a prefered way of worship, then a more stricked catholic church mass... however here in england the neocat way is not well known. just another thing, i havn't seen any neocat website put down anyone elses way of worship, it seems like everyone is threatened by us? if you were a true catholic surly it shouldn't be the way that you worship that matters, but who you worship and your belife in god! well thats what i'm taught at my roman catholic school. why should there be a divide?

ok thats all i have to say lol... just thought it would be good to have a different view ^^

October 5, 2007 at 1:16 PM
Anonymous said...

Mr. Anonymous neocatechumenal, I would like to inform you that you do not have the full approval of the Catholic Church, if you recall, the Pope asked you to cease your eucharistic celebrations and to conform them to the norm of the Roman Church according to the current missal, and you were given a period lasting "no longer" than two years to obey this directive. I would like to tell you Mr. Anonymous that the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is not meant to be celebrated according to personal tastes, it is only the Congregation for Divine Worship (which functions as an arm of the Pope) which has the grace of state to ordain such liturgical matters, it is not up to individual members of the church to make this desicions according to their own personal interpretations. This is why you should not be saying here that the Neocatechumenal Way has been given the full approval of the Magisterium because that is not true, there has only been an approval "ad experimentum", which means that your movement is under observation, you are not yet fully approved, and the Pope has stated that there is still discussion as to wether your statutes need revision, the Holy Father said the question was still being duscussed and that "..changes to the structure" were posible. Criticism is indeed a concern made because of irregularities in the Neocatechumenal way, which as I have explained here, is not a stranger to serious corrections from the magisterial authority of the church. After all, the criticism made by the faithful regarding your liturgy was right on the mark because the Pope seems to agree, and he himself is a liturgical scholar who knows more about this matter than any lay team of initiators. That is why you shouldn't take the opinion of the faithful as malicious, most faithful are concerned of heresy and a parallel church, which is a spiritual work of mercy.

October 12, 2007 at 11:17 PM
Anonymous said...

A brief review of the comments indicates a ton of hearsay from both sides. If you care about what the Church has to say instead of unknown and anonymous bloggers, go to the vatican website, hit search, type in "neocatechumenal" and see what the Holy Fathers have said. I read a dozen articles and they all had the same tone. To me, this seems like a much more reliable source of information. Don't you agree?

October 15, 2007 at 9:35 PM
ping said...

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

My mother was baptised from childhood like my siblings and I. However, my father was a freethinker and remained one for many years until his 60s. Despite following my mom to various church groups including mass, it was only through the neocatechumenal way that he was converted.

Knowing my father to be a very critical man, I knew he would not readily accept hypocrisy. It was the sincere and outright honest teachings on the 'word' heard at the neocatechumenal way which brought my father round.

So, as Jesus has told his disciples, that whoever is not against us is for us. I beseech you not to be too quick to condemn the group. Patience, understanding and discernment with the help of the holy spirit is need, lest the devil becomes the one at work.

October 15, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Anonymous said...

Hey..... aren't you guys supposed to be one in Christ? Yet, I see such vicious and strong words against your 'fellow brothers and sisters'.

I've heard the quote from ping's post but I certainly don't see it being practiced here. Now, to keep hearing the words 'liturgical abuses', I think the ones using it are guilty of any abuse over here.

Seminarian Matthew, I suppose you are preparing to be a priest. To serve God and your brothers and sisters. I don't quite see you doing that. You seem to be getting caught in the middle of 'worldly matters'. Just like the many corupt Bishops and Priest of the past.

Moneybag or should I say Mammon? You use a name indicating your inclination to money. Though I'm not christian, I do know that Jesus said that you cannot serve 2 masters. How is it that you are preaching on the faith?

As for NW members, I don't know what you are about. But certainly, some of you certainly need to learn more about your roots before making comment.

As long as christians don't show their 'christian love', people like me will never believe in Christ's love.

Don't know if I should say may 'Peace be with you' or 'dissenssion be with you'.

May 29, 2009 at 12:17 PM
Anonymous said...

If you really believe in GOD...Stop arguing...

September 9, 2009 at 5:41 PM
Anonymous said...

i was depressed and was about to commit sucide but while the cathesis i was listening i was save n now am proud member of the neocatecumenal way but speaking with being bias you shouldnt go yo wikipedia cause anyano post anything up.But yes do dance around the altar(its still an altar)after the eucharist and we do make mistakes but we not perfect. the point of the Way is to have groups like the early christians. i very much approve of this group, and just to let you know i'm just 16 and would be dead without this blessing. i do think u should read from more relianble sources but if still dont like it i cant do nothing about it

September 9, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Anonymous said...

srry i made a few spelling errors:without,anyone,not yo but to, we "are" not perfect,

September 14, 2009 at 12:59 AM
Anonymous said...

Hi
I want to contact the Dutch Anonymous who wrote on August 23, 2007 2:38 AM .

I am thinking of studying in Netherlands, but I worry that I wont find a neocatechumenal church to go to.

I would appreaciate any help.
best regards

September 15, 2009 at 11:24 PM
Anonymous said...

Peace! I'm one of the members of the NCway in our parish and reading those comments from this blog was really heart breaking. Four years ago I was been invited into an evangelization and from that evangelization I found out many things, not the theological knowledge and moral teachings which are only based on human aspect and standards that can be used for debates for other religion moralist or scholars but what I've gained was the experience of God through our personal history and events, that despite of our/my sinfulness God is always inviting me and giving me a chance for conversion. According to our catechesis that holiness is a very very long process, but through the mercy of God it was really attainable. We are not also separating from our Christian Catholic Faith, The Doctrine of the Catholic Church through the Magisterium is the foundation of our faith, together with the scripture and the community. This NCway is a community of sinners, who thirst for the word of God and praying together as a community for conversion, asking for our childlike faith. Pls continue praying for us.! "Blessed are those who are persecuted, for they will inherit the kingdom of God."

September 25, 2009 at 1:28 PM
Anonymous said...

Hi, I've in the "Way" (Only Jesus is the Way, by the way!!!) for a few months and at 1st i was very enthusiastic until I started to realise that the speeches of the Catechists were a bit Proteastant like ( u need to be born again). They said strange things that the Mass was like an onion and needed to be peeled to see it better. They do it I think, cos they want people who have been away from Mass for a long time to find it easier to come back. But I never understood why the leader of the comunity needed to lock the room where they were doing Mass or doing a convivence! There too many eg to quote all of them , but as my Spiritual Director advised me to pray the morning and evening prayer (the Church's prayer for the Lay) the leader of the comunity told me to stop it cos I had to wait to do it in the comunity when the members will introduced to it! That was the last straw! So I told him, u're asking me to disobey my spiritual director? And he really was convinced that was the right thing to do.

The catechists at the weekend convivence at the end of the neo-catechesis that lasted a few weeks drew a picture that was strange. It was showing a circle with Salt,the Salted people, and outside Judas. That I remembered when I left the group, and when people failed to keep me in the comunity , they stopped talking to me cos I was trying to show the problems of this group to some of the members (WHO R BTW, VERY DOWNCAST AND VULNERABLE PEOPLE), they stoppoed talking to me altogether. Some who liked me tkept chatting but after a while they stopped too.

I had a last talk to some of the catechists and showed them that they couldn't get me back, so they tried a different tactic: ur child needs a comunity to remain Catholic.
I heard that the movement has been approved by Pope Benedict XVI IN 2008.

Now my question is: does Pope Benedict who I admire a lot for his love of truth know about every facts on this new movement or were they diminished by some of the NC Cardinals so they would get the NC approved?

It is easy to fake truth and show signs of honesty for a while but what is really said in closed doors? There are propheties by Catholic visionaries and saints that the Church could even be deceived by heretics. So what's next?

BTW, I went back recently, a few days ago, and found that most (90%) of the members are downcast, vulnerable and seem to suffer in a way or another. My ex- best friend changed her personality completely. And my child who is bigger was a bit freaked out by it. Do they really brainwash the members or do the catechists and leaders break the spirit of the members. So is that normal or is there something the matter?

I'm sorry if that seem to be gossips to some of the members of the Way, but I'm really concerned!
Ofra

September 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM
Anonymous said...

Sorry I forgot the word "been" in "I've been" in the beginning of my mail.
Ofra

November 9, 2009 at 10:49 PM
Anonymous said...

Ofra,

RELAX ! GOD LOVES YOU! the Pope know everything about the NC, in fact, the NC has been under very close scrutiny by a group of cardinals, Google Neocatechumenal way statues Vatican and read read and read some more. This post is very ill informed and read all the books you can on the founding fathers of the church and you will see that the cathecises can be found their. Read L'Apple "History of Salvation".

And dis obeying your spiritual director was the right thing to do, because morning prayer like all prayers and sacraments should be done with freedom not with force.

OF COURSE THE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITIES ARE DOWNCAST and SUFFER ! WHO DOESN'T ? your life is perfect? why do you judge them? and the church is for the poor of heart!

stop using your intellect, reason, and logic and focus on the most essential part of the catholic church... LOVE in the dimension of the cross.....

the communities are an emergency room for the sick.... if you are not sick then their is no need for a doctor. (i hope you understand)

and don't worry, no offense or anything, but i believe a group of like 50 master theologians who happen to be cardinals, know more about the church than both you and me, and if they approve the statues of the NC then have faith!

REALIZE THAT PERSECUTION IS NECESSARY!!!!!

Persecution is what brings reality (with respect to your faith)i.e. Jesus Christ, persecution was the necessary.

AGAIN, RELAX !!! Trust in your holy father and know that the NC follows everything the pope and bishops of their Arch. Dio. tell them.


Imagine that the retired Cardinal of the Arch. Dio. of Washington know lives in the Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Washington, D.C. which is a seminary owned by the Arch. Dioc. of Washington which they gave to the NC to run.


As far as the Eucharist, One must be absolutely conscious of the dignity needed to celebrate in side of a church! first we must discover the love for the Eucharist to then enter the church. You can see that in the NC no one leaves until the presiding priest leaves, no one leaves during communion, can you say the same for the regular mass on Sundays? No in New York, New Jersey, Penn., DE, FL, Virginia, Washington or Maryland (every where pretty much).

I hopes this can help to stop the devil from attacking if what you might confuse with intellect. Remember that if God exists, then the Devil does as well.


Listen to the holy father because it is through is communion with our Father that we can be certain that he can overcome the trickery of the devil and for this we should pray.

COURAGE !!!

November 9, 2009 at 10:52 PM
Anonymous said...

and i wrote that very fast so please excuse any mis types !!!

November 22, 2009 at 11:34 PM
Anonymous said...

Thanks God the pope already approved the statutes of the NCW. We are officially a group of our church.

January 14, 2010 at 3:00 PM
Anonymous said...

No one can possibly criticize another group without having been inside it, understand its ways, its spirit, its philosophy. Read philosopher Alsdair MacIntyre, criticism, which should always be constructive, since we all strive to be better Christians, or at least I hope so, should always come from within, because that is the only way it will be made out of love, not spite, envy, etc. So wikipedia or articles are definitely NOT reputable sources.

January 16, 2010 at 4:38 AM
Anonymous said...

the neo catechumenal way tries to bring back the original eucharist. original eucharist simply means that we are trying to do the eucharist the way it was done during the early years of the christian church. the "primitive church" as we call it. these are the first christian converts. obviously there were no "liturgy" before as it is today. so many years have passed and many things have been added to the eucharist, these are not bad, but you have to respect the fact that the neo catechumenal way is simply trying to go back to practicing the eucharist the way the early christians did way way before christianity became a trend and no longer a way of life during the time of constantine. its really hard to explain unless you experience it yourself. we are all christians afterall.

January 24, 2010 at 3:03 PM
Anonymous said...

As a "traditional" Catholic, with deep love for the Church's Divine Liturgy, and also having celebrated Mass with the men and women of the "Way" - I find nothing wrong with their Liturgy. Apparently, the Pope agrees as well.

February 24, 2010 at 12:42 AM
Anonymous said...

I'm thinking of calling the Neocatechumenal Way the 'Neocatechumenal Wedge.' I am a traditional catholic and convert to the Church who fell in love with the rich patrimony of the Church. My wife is a member of the Way and has been since before we married. I've tried to be tolerant of her going and friendly towards its members, although I have no desire to attend its Mass or 'liturgies'. My refusal to enter the Way is beginning to drive a wedge into our marriage, as the Way demands, upon threat of expulsion from her community, long weekend retreats and other un-family-friendly commitments, dividing our family. These things would be fine if we were both members, but we're not, and the Way does not seem to accept this. This cannot be taken as a condemnation of the whole, but in my experience, some members have been confrontational about my refusal to join or attend the Way with my wife. They do nothing to encourage the idea that the husband is the spiritual leader of his family, and I believe the Way is undermining my vocation of husband and our marriage. In our case, the NC Way deems itself to be the only way.

This is purely anecdotal, but I have also noticed a disturbing tendency of the Way's adherents to try to convert people to the Way itself, singing the Way's praises but seemingly minimizing the Catholic Church herself. This feels very cult-like. The Way's zeal for the faith cannot be denied, but one almost universal characteristic of its members is an adherence to a belief, acknowledged or otherwise, that faith can be separated from the practice of the faith, vis a vis their 'special' Mass. This belief is unhealthy and goes greatly against the grain of what it is to be a Catholic.

The traditionalists, of which I count myself one of, perceive that the crisis in the Church is one primarily of liturgy and ignorance of faith. The Way addresses the latter but exacerbates the former.

The Way also drives a wedge between themselves and those who have a love for things traditional, especially the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM), by insisting upon a rite so alien, innovative and counter-traditional, that those who love the TLM cannot bear to see what we perceive to be manifold liturgical abuses. The Way's liturgical practices are exclusive against those who love Catholic tradition, and do nothing to aid skeptics' perceptions.

This innovation is done with an insistence that the Way are being more faithful to the practices of the early Church, which may or may not be true. I confess that I'm a skeptic on this point as so much destructive liturgical innovation has been done in the name of this type of antiquarianism, which is destructive and was condemned by Pope Pius XII (see Mediator Dei). It is simply arrogant to discard nearly 2000 years of rich liturgical patrimony and tradition in favour of the whimsical tastes of a man named Kiko. Tradition has wisely been described as the "democracy of the dead" (G.K. Chesterton), and therefore I believe it is also disrespectful towards those Catholics who came before us to reject their beautiful gift to us, and this is a gift that countless faithful were made Martyrs to pass down to posterity. And no, the early Christians were not lesser Christians, but as the Church grew and learned, its practices matured and did not remain frozen in time.

Continued in next post...

February 24, 2010 at 12:44 AM
Anonymous said...

Continued...

The Church cannot be made whole by departing even further from her venerable traditions, a point that those who so frequently remind us of the Holy Father's praise for the Way should remember. Consider the actions of the Holy Father in his own liturgical celebrations, in which communion may only be received kneeling and on the tongue, and which with increasing frequency are being celebrated ad orientem, facing the altar, not the people, where Christ and His Sacrifice is the center of the Mass and not the community. The Holy Father is setting the example for the rest of the Latin Church to follow, and the Way should start paying attention to his actions rather than only listening to his words. And in considering the Holy Father's words, I would also refer you to his manifold works and writings on the subject of the liturgy itself, and you will quickly find that the Way is very much out-of-step with the Holy Father's thoughts and words on the matter.

Also consider that in his reception of the Way in St. Peter's Basilica, he did not celebrate Holy Mass for them.

I know that this post is a number of years old now, but I couldn't help but weigh in since it appears to have started up again relatively recently.

February 28, 2010 at 1:45 PM
Anonymous said...

To the person who wrote this post: Avoid the Neocatechumenal Way...I pray for you.

Please...before throwing the first stone, do your research. All your questions can be answered by going to the following link: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/2002/september/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_20020921_cammino-neocatecumenale_en.html

ADDRESS OF JOHN PAUL II
TO THE PRIESTS AND CATECHISTS
OF THE NEOCATECHUMENAL WAY
Saturday, 21 September 2002

1. Dear Catechists and Priests of the Neocatechumenal Way, I am happy to receive you as you come here today to meet the Pope. With affection, I greet and welcome each of you and through you, I greet the entire Neocatechumenal Way, an ecclesial reality that has spread to many countries and is appreciated by many Pastors. I thank Mr Kiko Argüello, the co-founder of the Way with Miss Carmen Hernández, for his cordial address. With his address, he expressed your faithful attachment to the See of Peter and witnessed to your common love for the Church.
2. How can we fail to thank the Lord for the fruit the Neocatechumenal Way has born in the more than 30 years since it came into being? In a secularized society like ours, where religious indifference is spreading and many live as though God did not exist, there are multitudes who need to rediscover the sacraments of Christian initiation, especially Baptism.
The Way is certainly one of the providential answers to this urgent need. Let us look at your communities: how many have rediscovered the beauty and greatness of the baptismal vocation they have received! How much generosity and zeal they have for proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ, especially to those who are the most distant! How many vocations to the priesthood and to the religious life have arisen thanks to this itinerary of Christian formation!
3. I have a vivid memory of our last meeting in January 1997, immediately after your gathering on Mount Sinai to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the Neocatechumenal Way. On that occasion I told you that drafting the Statutes of the Way was "a very important step that [would] lead to its formal juridical recognition by the Church, and [give] you a further guarantee of the authenticity of your charism" (Address to Neocatechumenal Way, 24 January 1997, n. 4; ORE, 5 February 1997, p. 9).
Our meeting today expresses your joy over the recent approval of the Statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way by the Holy See. I am glad that this process, which began more than five years ago, has been brought to completion through an intense effort of consultation, reflection and dialogue. I want now to mention in a special way Cardinal James Francis Stafford, to whom I express my gratitude for the commitment and care with which the Pontifical Council for the Laity accompanied the international leadership team of the Way in this process.
4. I would like to emphasize the importance of the recently approved Statutes for the present and future life of the Neocatechumenal Way. Indeed, above all, this norm stresses once again the ecclesial character of the Neocatechumenal Way which, as I said a few years ago, is "an effective means of Catholic formation for society and for the present time" (Papal Letter Ogni qualvolta to Bishop Paul Joseph Cordes, Vice-President of the Pontifical Council for the Laity [today Archbishop and President of the Pontifical Council "Cor Unum"], 30 August 1990; ORE, 7/14 August 2002, p. 4).

February 28, 2010 at 1:46 PM
Anonymous said...

CONTINUATION OF MY PREVIOUS POST...

The Statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way also describe the essential aspects of this itinerary, offered to the faithful in their parish communities who want to revive their faith, and to adults who are preparing to receive the sacrament of Baptism. Above all, however, the Statutes establish the fundamental tasks of the various persons responsible for providing this itinerary of formation in the Neocatechumenal communities: the priests, the catechists, the families on mission and the teams responsible at every level. Thus the Statutes must be for the Neocatechumenal Way a "clear and sure rule of life" (Letter to Cardinal James F. Stafford, 5 April 2001, n. 2; ORE, 2 May 2001, p. 5), a fundamental point of reference so that this process of formation, that aims to bring the faithful to a mature faith, may be realized in a way that is in accord with the teaching and discipline of the Church.
5. The approval of the Statutes marks the beginning of a new phase in the life of the Way. The Church now expects of you an even greater and more generous dedication to the new evangelization and to the service of the local Churches and parishes. Therefore, priests and catechists of the Way, you are responsible for ensuring that the Statutes are faithfully put into practice in all their aspects so that they become true leaven for a new missionary zeal.
The Statutes are likewise an important help to all the Pastors of the Church, particularly the diocesan Bishops who are entrusted with the pastoral care and especially, the Christian initiation of the people in their diocese "In their fatherly and careful accompaniment of the Neocatechumenal communities" (Decree of the Pontifical Council for the Laity, 29 June 2002; ORE, 31 July 2002, p. 11), the diocesan Ordinaries will be able to find in the Statutes the basic principles for realizing the Neocatechumenal Way in fidelity to its original plan.
I particularly desire to address a word to you priests, who are dedicated to the service of the Neocatechumenal communities. Never forget that as ministers of Christ you have an irreplaceable role of sanctification, teaching and pastoral guidance for those who follow the itinerary of the Way. With love and generosity, serve the communities entrusted to you!
6. Dear brothers and sisters, with the approval of the Statutes of the Neocatechumenal Way, we have happily succeeded in defining the essential ecclesial formula of the Way. Let us all thank the Lord for this.
It is now the task of the competent offices of the Holy See to examine the Catchetical Directory and the catechetical and liturgical practices of the Way. I am sure that its members willingly and generously support the directives they will receive from these authoritative sources.

I shall continue eagerly to follow your work in the Church and in my prayers I entrust you to the Blessed Virgin Mary, Star of the New Evangelization, and to you I cordially impart my Apostolic Blessing.

March 2, 2010 at 1:13 PM
Anonymous said...

you guys must be confused or something the neocatecumenal way helps me soo much taken that i am only 15 years old you will never know until you experiance it i have suffered and it just helps me understand the real person that i am

March 2, 2010 at 1:16 PM
Anonymous said...

i also pray for you i live in arizona and have been a part of the neocatecumenal way for 3 years and more to go.. i have traveled to newyork washington australia and next year will be spain i pray for you who ever wrote this: Avoid the Neocatechumenal Way i have had protesters scream to my face and i can only ssay that i will pray for you.. i wrote the above comment

March 9, 2010 at 8:17 AM
Jenny said...

I am a member of the First English Community at St. Augustine Parish in Phoenix Arizona, and I have been walking in the Way for about ten years now. Unless you have lived in the Way you should not talk about it. It is people like you who do not understand it because you are afraid of something you can't explain. I pray that you will stop trying to lead people away or misguide them in any way that is against the beliefs of the Catholic life. If you do not know about the Neocatechumenal Way from first hand experience you do not have any right to speak about it in a negative way.

March 9, 2010 at 6:45 PM
Yolanda said...

Peace Be With You All!

March 11, 2010 at 5:48 PM
Anonymous said...

the Pope can also make mistakes anonymous (that posted John Paul's letter ;)
God bless his soul

March 28, 2010 at 7:29 AM
Anonymous said...

I just pray for the one who made this web page, who judge himself such a good catholic, but is against the Church. As the Church approved the statues of Neocatecumenal Way, the now belong to the Universal Church, and those agains it is also againt the Church.

April 8, 2010 at 8:29 AM
Said Azer said...

It's the 1st time I see above article and comments. I just have one addition : The Holy See has totally approved all the Statutes of the NCW, including their liturgy accepting all its aspects.

April 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Anonymous said...

Why do you neos have the need to say you will pray for everyone who is agreeing with the article, why don't you just pray in silence, nobody has to know.

June 9, 2010 at 10:51 PM
Jacqueline said...

I just will tell you that the Neocatechumenal Way, help me to accept people like you, bitter and angry. The devil has power over many people, be careful!! Ask for God's help, because you are his slave.

Peace be with you!
From someone IN the Neocatechumenal Way.

June 12, 2010 at 4:25 PM
Anonymous said...

The Pope Benedict XVI has approved neocatechumenal way, saying that it is one important charisma amongst many others in the catholic church.

Your affirmation is quite mistaken.

June 14, 2010 at 12:09 AM
Anonymous said...

dear mathew...read the statutes of the neocat. way...this is from god because it was aprroved by the pope...both john paul II and benedict support the way...this will help catholics and other borthers come into conversion by bringing them to reality...dont judge when you have not experienced...you the way is trying to go back to the roots of the catholic church...you dont know how many people out in the world depend upon us...us neocats go out and evangelize and beleive that conversion is the best light you may give to others

June 14, 2010 at 12:11 AM
Anonymous said...

oh and peace be with you all...and i will pray for you all...peace to my fellow neocats from las cruces,Nm i will see you all in madrid WYD 2011

June 14, 2010 at 12:18 AM
Anonymous said...

oh n by the way as for la danza (dance) thats the highest way of praising god...the flowers are praising god...its a feast...in which we are called to become one with his body and blood...the wine are like kisses given to us from god..the eucharist is banquet...in which we have strggled with a cross all week long and we finally get to the banquet...also you should know that the way we celebrate our eucharist is the way they celebrated it years ago...i invite you to attend to one...its open for everyone its writtrn in the statutes...if you dont feel anything is because youre stubborn...you would love it

June 16, 2010 at 2:09 AM
Anonymous said...

Dear all,

I am very happy to see a dialogue between Catholics. These things are very important. Our aim in these dialogues should always be UNITY and LOVE among us, for we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

I've been in the NCW since 1997 and I must say that I have seen many miracles in the lives of our fellow brothers and sisters in the community. I've been a Catholic all my life and what I found in the NCW is that it has deepened my faith in Jesus Christ. Now I go to the Eucharist (sometimes in the NWC or in the traditional Catholic Church)extremely grateful -- not because I want to be saved but because I know that Jesus Christ loves me and has saved me.

Some of you may have been scandalized by the attitude of certain people in the NCW. Some may come off as self-righteous or rude, or moralistic. I tell you, we have had our share in the community of more-than-irritating members and I have probably been irritating at one point or another too... but this is the point: It is too see who you truly are, and then see that God loves you no matter what. And because God loves you in this way, you will be able to love even those you feel are unlovable. But this journey from seeing who you are and experiencing the love of God can be very long.

I pray that you forgive those who have scandalized you.Just like each us,God has not finished with them yet. We are all in the process of perfection in Christ, and conversion does not happen fast. We still have a long way to go in terms of humility.

As for the liturgical abuses, do not worry. If the Pope thinks we shouldn't do this and that, then it's okay with us. We will obey gladly. In our community, our catechists also told us to obey the parish priest,even if it means we'd have to go away.

Be at ease. In the end, it is salvation that matters, and with God's grace, we will all see each other in heaven, celebrating with the Beloved --together and happy.

June 25, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Anonymous said...

HELLO MATTHEW,
BROTHER THERE IS 2 SIDES OF A MIRROR AND YOU HAVE SEEN ONLY THE BACK PART AND ARE CRITICIZING IT. DON'T DO IT YET, WAIT AND CONSULT A NEOCATE PRIESTS ABOUT YOUR OBJECTIONS AND HE WILL ANSWER ALL YOUR WORRIES
NEOCATE ONLY TEACHES YOU TO LOVE GOD UNCONDITIONALLY AS HE LOVES US.
THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE DON;T UNDERSTAND AND JUDGE THEM ACCORDING TO OUR CAPABILITY.

July 12, 2010 at 11:41 AM
sandra said...

I'm in the Way too. All i can say is, the NCW saved my parents marriage ! Jesus loves u as you are !

July 18, 2010 at 3:07 PM
Anonymous said...

The organization called The Neocatechumenal Way has given rise to doubts, perplexities, and opposing opinions within the Catholic Church for many years. Some people, whether they are lay or ecclesiastical, see the Way as being a blessing of the Spirit. Other individuals, of likewise importance, consider the Way to be dangerous in doctrine and methodology; they have compared it to a sect, having come to call it "a church within the Church".

The Neocatechumenate insist their intention is to return to a way of being of the Church that's similar to the first Christian communities. The Way defends itself from accusations of being a sect by saying that they are being persecuted. The Neocatechumenate insist that whoever follows this path will be able to bring about very radical choices and, therefore, that person will be subject to persecution just like everyone who seriously follows Jesus in his or her daily life.

July 18, 2010 at 3:09 PM
Anonymous said...

....Continue
Since I used to be in a Neocatechumenate community for many years, I'd like to write about some of my reflections. I want to make my small contribution to help people understand the psychological make-up of those who subscribe to the "Way". Another motivation for me to write down my experiences comes from a book I read by American psychiatrist, Jerry Bergman. The title of the book was Jehovah's Witnesses and Mental Health (1996) and in it I came across vivid analogies between the Neocatechumenal Way and the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Before I begin, I'd like to take this opportunity to clear up the meaning of the word, "sect". For some scholars, this word seems to come from the Latin, secta, past participle of the verb sequor, which means, "to follow". Therefore, a sect would be a group and the doctrines it teaches that a person follows. Other scholars contend that sect comes from the Latin, sectus which is the past participle of "to cut". "Sect", then would be a group that has cut itself off from the major body.

July 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM
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Whatever the correct etymology is, the term, sect, has taken on a deeply negative connotation in the world today. It connotes closed mindedness and a greatly limited participation with the "outside" world, meaning with those who don't belong to the sect and don't share the same ideas and activities.

The limited amount of space I have here prevents me from giving an in-depth account of all the types of sectarians there are. That would be useful so as to see whether the Neocatechumenate are an example. But I hope what I have to say here will be a valid cause for reflection.

The problem with psychological conditioning inside a sect is that it is still the subject of debate among scholars. According to Frank (1974), the mental processes used to draw a person into a sect are very similar to those used in psychotherapy where one of the results is the reassuring relationship that develops between psychotherapist and patient. In the sectarian organization, together with the others (brothers and sisters of the community and the catechists), the follower feels better and is able to face life's problems with more serenity and confidence. The other people in the organization, in fact, often become the unconscious projection of the reassuring father/parent figure.

Sectarian organizations have always been accused of (what is commonly called) "brain-washing", but today the term, "thought-reform", coined by Lifton (1961), is preferred. The person who becomes part of a sectarian group modifies his or her behavior. The change comes about so subtly that the subject himself hardly ever perceives it. Quite a different story for those who are close to the subject and notice the changes, sometimes even radical changes. Thus, we have the term go conversion". But is it really a true conversion?

Now, for those of you who are not familiar with the Neocatechumenal Way, a brief synthesis is necessary as to what happens to the people who belong to it over the course of many years (sometimes twenty or more years, depending on a person's "spirit of conversion"). Whoever reaches the end of the Way, will be able to affirm that he has understood what baptism is or, even better, he will have rediscovered it.

Very often, the person who joins the Way is either a relative or a friend of someone who already belongs. This member talks about the Way with such enthusiasm that it borders on pedantry; he feels compelled by some "missionary' duty to share the "wonders" of the Way with other brothers and sisters. Whoever then decides to get in touch with the movement has to participate in fifteen catechesis which in general are held in the parish every other week. After completing them, the member is obliged to participate in a convivence (meaning, a time of living together) which starts on a Friday evening and finishes Sunday afternoon; from this the community will be formed.

The convivence is a crescendo of feelings and new experiences. The experience (especially for who has never been a person of faith) triggers something in the person to become very deeply and incisively involved. It stirs and awakens something present in every human: the need for what's holy and for meaning in one's life. Unfortunately, the sectarian organizations profit from these needs.

July 18, 2010 at 3:18 PM
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The convivence starts off with a very suggestive rite called, "skylight". The room is left completely dark for a few minutes. Then a presbyter enters the room holding a lit Easter candle that rips through the disturbing darkness. On a Saturday, after a long catechesis on how the Hebrews prepared for Passover and how that then paved the way for Christian Easter, the Eucharistic celebration follows the ways set out by the Neocatechumenate for any Saturday evening celebration: an altar decorated with flowers set in the middle of the church with the brothers and sisters of the newly-formed community and catechists circled round it (obviously, the catechists are there only during the convivence ).

During the Prayer of the Faithful, anyone can pray out loud, freely, expressing whatever feelings he or she has. Even before the presbyter's homily, anyone "can share with his fellow brothers and sisters what the Lord has communicated to him in the readings and how his life has changed because of the Way". Opening up oneself to the others is a very important element of the program. By revealing oneself under the light of what's read in the Scriptures, an existential interpretation is given to one's own life. It also prepares the Neocatechumen to open up to his brothers and sisters of the community things that have been the most hidden and unconfessable principles, facts, and episodes in one's life.

This apparent liberation becomes, however, a double-edged sword. On the one hand, if the "brother' feels "liberated/released" and accepted it's because the catechists continuously repeat, "God loves you as you are". On the other hand, the person realizes that every lay person there like himself knows each and every little nook and cranny in his life and this creates an ambiguous dependence. Lay people are not held to the secret of the confessional like a priest is, so as one can easily imagine, they are armed with gossip and rumors that are certainly not edifying. The Neocatechumenal celebration ends with a final dance based on the one David did around the Ark of the Covenant of God.

The community follows a biweekly rhythm made up of activities to prepare for celebrations, celebration of the Word, and Saturday evening's Eucharistic celebration. Usually after two years, one gets to the first scrutiny, but mostly it depends on how receptive the members of the community have been to what the catechists have been teaching. The first scrutiny is the member's first powerful and moving experience. It's at this step the follower starts to unveil the depths of his heart. In fact, at this &I stage", there is a strong call to "test oneself in the treasures". This would be to rid oneself of those things one is most attached to, for example, money. The catechists, as a matter of fact, "invite" you to donate something personal, something you are particularly attached to (it doesn't necessarily have to be money. It can be jewelry or other things ... ) to someone who would never know who donated it nor where it came from.

But, during this rite, there's a moment which can sometimes take on dramatic heights for the person who experiences it. It's when every "brother' and "sister" has to say, in front of the whole community and the catechists, what his personal cross is. This moment is marked by very powerful emotions because to make one's cross known -often confessing with tears and with great internal resistance- has a cathartic and liberating effect. Many people will lie at this point because they are ashamed or embarrassed. It's the first powerful stage in the Way and many people quit. But the catechists reassure the ones who stay, "not everybody gets asked to be salt and light. The Lord has invited you."

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An apparently stronger "I" is thus created. One takes on an identity of the saved one who's a bit special -to be the one who is called on a mission for the church that not everyone is given the chance to be called for. Subtly, the strait jacket begins to tighten. It tightens even more for those people who have an "I" that's weak and without much grounding. These people, after a few years, are unable to find anything outside the Way nor anybody other than his "brothers and sisters" in his community.

One year after the first scrutiny, in general, one faces the "shemŕ" (listen Israel). Here they drive home the idea that a sign is necessary and that would be doing away with valuables. But the real turning point comes with the second scrutiny when the Precatechumen must make some big, serious decisions about his or her life in regards to being called to be the salt and light. The conviction that salvation lies only in the Way is emphasized even more; outside the Way one would be outside the Church. Often the catechists repeatedly tell the ones who have tried to quit that, "outside the Way you'll be with the dead because this is the road the Lord has chosen for you."

Similar notions are repeated at other occasions and for other reasons. On page 20 of "The Orientations for the Catechist Teams for the Second Baptismal Scrutiny" (one of the "holy texts" of the Neocatechumenal Way) Kiko Arguello states, "I saw a parish priest who spent his whole life battling against us and who hated us. It only took one night when he was struck with a tachycardia strong enough that he started taking his life seriously and he completely changed." Therefore, for Mr. Arguello, that priest had to have a providential tachycardia in order to accept the Way! Many stories like this one are frequently told among the people in the community and especially by the catechists So, this influences the people even more to see the Way as the only, or at least, the best that the church has to offer.

The second scrutiny is characterized by the renouncing of one's so-called "idols". Once the community has passed this stage, they are requested to turn over ten percent of their earnings. This is done in the same way all the collections are done among the Neocatechumenate. Out of contempt and scorn, the contributions are put in a bag that is called "the garbage" -giving a negative symbol of money.

Next, the Way has the "initiation to prayer". After the appropriate catechesis, the catechumen discovers or re-discovers the beauty of prayer and begins to pray with the Liturgy of the Hours. Couples who "walk" the Way together become more focused on the membership of their children. Since children, as the catechists teach, might be another example of our "idols", they might be left at home at night with the baby-sitter, or grandparent, or someone else if the parents - in a moment of pity - decide to spare the children from the long-windedness of the evening celebrations!

Another step is the Redditio, where the Creed and the Traditio are given. After this, the Neocatechumen tells the story of his or her whole life in front of the entire assembly - often times interspersed with the most untimely details of how much the Way has changed his life ... and then he recites the Creed. The Way ends with "election" and the renewal of baptism.

July 18, 2010 at 3:23 PM
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Such a brief account has made me have to give only the gist of the Way and to leave a considerable amount of things out. But I would, however, like to offer a few considerations. Throughout the Way, there is a subtle and imperceptible control over what the individual does by his taking part in the community. In fact, in the beginning, the commitment is relatively light -one must attend the two weekly celebrations and take part in their preparations when necessary. In doing this, the person ever so slowly takes on a language, a way of doing things that is nearer in harmony with the spirit of the Way. Everything in his or her life changes in relation to the Way - which is the only thing that can bring satisfaction to one's life.

Information is kept secret, The texts the catechists use aren't published. Once, a parish priest was first told there were no reference texts, then he was told, "but even you, too, must convert.. you still haven't reached that phase of the way, yet"!

By carrying out the duties of the Way (which the catechists tag as being "time given to God"), the person is aided in not having to think anymore. When he conveys any kind of doubt or perplexity to a fellow "brother' or even to a catechist, he is told that this is Satan who wants to lead him away from God. Most of the time, when someone has temptations of these kinds, he or she is told to speak about it with the catechists. The catechists slowly begin to run your life. A person's past sins are used to condition, or worse, to denigrate him or her. After many years, one becomes deeply convinced that the catechists are never wrong!

But one of the most serious things is the control over a person's emotions through the use of guilt and fear. In the first catechesis, they talk about the baptismal pool which one most submerge into in order to look at one's sins in the face. One catechist has said, "you must go down into the sewers in order to rise up again with Christ". Another catechist said, "the community begins to grow when you begin to argue with each other and hurl all the putridity you have inside out of you." All of this is very different from what the Church teaches about conversion ("metanoia"). The Church reminds us above all that we are saved by the love of God and that he makes us feel the joy of his mercy even in the midst of our miseries.

However, the laying on of guilt (which is quite different from humbly recognizing oneself as being a sinner) is one of the most important methods in controlling a person's feelings and emotions. Humility is badly interpreted when the person rejects him or herself - which then leads to alienation. This in turn creates a personality which tends to hold up an ideal that's out of reach and so the person ends up feeling guilty for not being able to live up to that ideal.

The members of the community become inculcated that they are part of a privileged elite in the church; they are destined to bring salvation to the people they work with, to their families, or even in missionary work abroad which we see in the case of "itinerant catechists". As is written elsewhere, the people often hear the catechists' typical phrases, "The Lord has chosen you and has invited you and no one else". This and other similar phrases let the people believe that they have been "specially elected". This unconsciously satisfies their own frustrated sense of self.

July 18, 2010 at 3:26 PM
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Another thing that characterizes the Neocatechumenate is their zeal in carrying out what the catechists (and most of all, the founder of the Way) tell them to do. In the communities, in fact, the celebrations don't take place in a church, but rather in a room. The altar has to be a table and the paten, the chalice, the cross, the lectern, and whatever else is used, absolutely must be signed "Kiko"! Everything borders on the maniacal! Once, a bride who was in a parish that wasn't Neocatechumenal insisted that the ceremony be conducted in the style "inspired" by Kiko, with his cross, altar, chalice, paten, songs, etc...

Whoever has been accustomed to this manner for years finds it incredibly difficult to separate one's relationship with God from this style and to live one's faith, still in the Church, but in a whole other way! It creates a psychological dependence that makes the person end up controlling others and demonizing everybody, too, including bishops and presbyters, who doesn't share the Way with them. One catechist once said, "It's good that we have bishops and priests who don't believe because this strengthens us in our journey; it's a sign that we are on the right path."

Many Neocatechumenate seem to have lost their critical and logical abilities - faculties which make a true Christian. The Scriptures say the true Christian is one who makes sense of his faith! It's true that many people criticize the Way, but they don't have courage any more to leave it because they identify the Way with the Church. Perhaps they don't know or they don't want to know that the Church is a place that's much more spacious and free than the church Kiko and his catechists present!

A euphoric and self-aggrandizing atmosphere is created inside the community which reaches its culmination at the Passover Vigil. The vigil is celebrated throughout the night and young children are baptized. As time goes on and these children grow up, they will be subject to a religious formation that is very debatable.

Speaking of children, it was written before that, in general, the Neocatechumenate are very proliferous because they are very pro-life. However, since children mustn't be idols, they are left in the care of grandparents or baby-sitters until late at night because God comes before all things and God is identified with the Way. In the second scrutiny, when they are asked to dispose of the idols in their lives, who knows if anybody in the Neocatechumenate ever once suspected that one of their idols just might be the Way itself! Many forget that a way must be a means to arrive to God and not an end in itself.

I'd like to wrap up these reflections on the Way by summing up the following:

1. Kiko and his catechists have reigning authority. Something one of the catechists once said is telling, "Even priests should become part of the way and convert!"

2. People who follow the Way consider themselves to be predeterminately chosen to become the salt and light of the Church and for the world.

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3. Members of the Way are promised salvation by accepting the Way as a style of life that's unique and dearly for a privileged few. Something often said by the catechists is, "If you take on this way, you will have the spirit of Jesus Christ. We feel that it's been true for us in our lives."

4. The community exerts a huge amount of pressure on its members. The members are subject to iron-handed discipline in the Way , as the catechists say, "it will bring you to the point of having to make a radical choice in your life."

5. It creates an attitude of segregation against those who do not take part in the Way. People who are excluded even include Christians who are part of the Church, people who are active in other catholic movements, and even the despised Catholics who go to Sunday Mass. Personally, I have seen many people who are richer in mercy than most Neocatechumenate!

6. Followers of Kiko focus on missionary activities even if they have large families.

7. After the second scrutiny, members must turn over ten percent of their monthly earnings, but on top of that there are even other collections for other purposes to contribute to! No year-end budget is ever produced from all the fund-raising. The catechists justify this with the evangelical teaching, "don't let the right hand know what the left hand is doing." So then, I have to ask myself, why is that the Church justifiably has every parish and ecclesial body have a finance council? Contributions, income and expenses are made clear across the board.

8. Often without even realizing it, the Neocatechumenate take on a language, a particular jargon that makes them standout and distinguishes them from others.

9. Generally, the Neocatechumenate react quite violently when someone criticizes the Way. They try to avoid the subject, or as is especially the case with the catechists, they resort to dialectics (the sign of the better sophist). Once I was really struck by how a person from the Way reacted to a man who said he didn't believe in it. At first the follower of the Way calmly gave his own personal life's testimony; even though he was vulgar in his criticism of the pope and bishops, he didn't get angry until the moment the man criticized the Way. Hardly loving one's enemy in the dimension of the cross!

10. The Neocatechumenate often feel persecuted and they demonize (as I wrote earlier) those who don't belong even if those people should still be considered their brothers in Christ. Sects typically demonize those who don't think like they do because they need to create an external enemy (a scapegoat) upon which they can target all their individual fears and anxieties.

To grow in the faith is to grow in love not to busy oneself for years with a lot activities, preparations, celebrations, passing through different stages or anything else. Many Neocatechumenate have the illusion that it carrying out deeds", "doing things", and "being active" for many years converts you. People should be told, however, about a document that was published by the Holy See in 1986 by the Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity. It was titled, The Phenomena of Sects or New Religious Movements: A Pastoral Challenge." On page three, talking about the intolerance present in sects, "a similar spirit can be encountered in congregations of people who belong to churches or ecclesiastical communities."

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Now, a few questions that still have no answers: Why are the texts by Kiko so rigorously held secret? Why don't the Neocatechumenate make their income-contributions public? Have they never considered that the criticisms made against them, both doctrinal and methodological, just might have been made out of love for the truth and not made by the persecutive devils that have a grudge against them? Seeing how familiar they are with the Word, haven't they ever reflected upon that verse from Hosea that says, "faithful love is what pleases me not sacrifice. Knowledge of God, not burnt offerings." (Hosea 6:6)

Thanks for reading my thoughts and the truth behind doors of THE WAY.

July 28, 2010 at 3:38 PM
Anonymous said...

I STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THE STATEMENTS TOLD ABOUT THE WAY AKA THATS ME.
WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ''TABLE"THAT THATS NOT TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AT ALL, WE DECORATE OUR TABLE BECAUSE THAT IS WERE JESUS WILL BE SACRIFICED. WE PLAY MUSIC BECASUE THAT WE WERE TAUGHT AND SINGING IS TWICE AS MUCH AS PRAYING. THE THREE YOUNG MEN WERE SINGING AND PRAYING SO DON'T TELL ME THAT WE CAN'T DO THAT!!!!!!!! IT HAS GIVEN US GREAT EXPERIENCES OF FAITH BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TO MANY WORLD YOUTH DAYS, GONE TO MANY PLACES TO SPREAD THE WORD IN OUR COUNTRIES AND NOTHING WILL EVER, EVER ,EVER WILL STOP FROM DOING THIS. WE HAVE SEEN THE POWER OF GOD WITHIN OUR MANY CHALLENGES WITH HIM LIKE YOU PEOPLE AND DISCRIMINATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! US NCW PEOPLE WERE CALLED THE PEOPLE OF THE UPPER ROOM WHICH IS GREAT BECASUE THAT IS WHERE THE DISCPLES RECIEVED THE HOLY SPIRIT. NO DEACON HAS EVER ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH EVER BAPTIZED A CHILD.WE FIND THINGS LIKE DACING AROUND THE TABLE GIVING THANKS TO GOD FOR EVERYTHING HE GIVEN TO US BECUSE WE'VE SEEN HIM PROVIDE FOR FAMILIES OF 10,11,12,13,14,15 AND EVEN 18 MAYBE JUST COUNTING CHILDREN AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE FOOD ON THE TABLE.WITH NO MONEY!!!

VISIT US ONE DAY TO SEE THE JOY IN PEOPLES EYES!! PEACE BE WITH YOU AND I WILL PRAY FOR YOU

July 29, 2010 at 5:08 PM
Anonymous said...

Please ,I need you to comment also on other statments I explained, tell me honestly if its or true or false?.example


After the second scrutiny, members must turn over ten percent of their monthly earnings, but on top of that there are even other collections for other purposes to contribute to! No year-end budget is ever produced from all the fund-raising. The catechists justify this with the evangelical teaching, "don't let the right hand know what the left hand is doing." So then, I have to ask myself, why is that the Church justifiably has every parish and ecclesial body have a finance council? Contributions, income and expenses are made clear across the board.

and please don't that it personally but I really want to know the truth and nothing else the truth and I dont need to come and lisen NCw to find the truth.

July 30, 2010 at 5:22 AM
Anonymous said...

Hi Anonymous from July 29 :)

Ahhh! I wrote something here and when I clicked on Post comment everything got erased! LOL. Anyway, I'll just type away again...

About the 10%, this is what's called Tithing. I'm sure you've heard of it but if not, you can look it up here (Catholic Principles of Tithing): http://www.saint-mike.org/library/rule/excerpts/principles_tithing.asp

Tithing is a response to God's love for us. While it's true that we give 10% each month, it's done freely and it's really just between you and God. No one else should know if you've been giving or how much you've been giving exactly. Honestly, sometimes I am not able to give but that doesn't mean that by next month I'm in trouble and I'd have to give double. I just try to give 10% again.

Why 10%?
Well why not 20? or 30? or 50%? After all God gave us everything. He gave us Jesus Christ. The 10% is really just to help us. It's very easy to give loose change or extra money to the Church. The ten percent helps us to be wary of possible slavery to money and to trust more in God. It allows us to see God as the ultimate provider and the one to be trusted. It's his money in the end anyway. We're just the ones holding it for now.

Where does the money go? It can go to a community member in dire need. If by the end of the month, no one has a need for the collected money, then everything is disposed of. It is given to the poor. We all know that around the world, or maybe even just around us, there are many people in need, waiting for us to be charitable.

Of course, why flaunt your generosity and piousness, right? "Don't let the right hand know what the left hand is doing" just probably means this. It's to guard us from being proud.

Tithing isn't something scary. It's actually liberating and it can draw you closer to God but it operates on sheer grace. The only reason why it sounds "secretive" is because one's heart has to be disposed to this. There is a level of spiritual maturity. If you give a newborn solid food instead of milk, he'll just choke on it because he's not equipped to digest it yet. (Please don't think I'm being self-righteous. On the contrary, it took me a long while to discover the beauty of tithing).

As for other collections, you're probably talking about fundraisers (usually for the seminary and for helping the youth get enough money to go to the World Youth Day) or small collections for expenses for the Eucharist(wine, candles, flowers, etc.) or convivences (something like a retreat). These are done voluntarily, not by obligation.

Was I able to answer all your questions? I Hope so :)

Anonymous from July 28, hi there brother or sister in the way. Relax. You sounded angry? I hope you're all right. Peace! :)

July 30, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Anonymous said...

Thanks mate for your reply.
I give money to the poor people and I do charity work even in our home land hospitals example who is sick of kidneys collecting money for them to buy new equipment etc and I am free to do so when ever I like.In your case are you free to do community work or give money to the poor directly intstead you put it in NCW "garbage" not for only one month but for example one whole year.
I hope am not being rude but I am hungry for the truth.
Thanks

August 1, 2010 at 9:04 PM
Anonymous said...

Lol. I understand, I know you're not being rude :) First off, may God bless you and give you more grace to continue your charitable work.

In terms of charity work, in my community, we also go to hospitals at times to spend time with the sick, to talk to them about God's love for them despite our situation. Once also we had a fund raising for the seminary but our country had a devastating calamity that year so the communities decided to give some of the amount to the relief centers too.

But we are not restricted to just, how do I say this...community-based charity?

We are very free to do other things. Christianity after all is both a communal and personal experience. The monthly tithing is just to help us. Personally, in my country there are many beggars in the street and they always call us to be generous. I used to live in front of an orphanage too so sometimes I would spend time with the abandoned babies there.
Some of us join school projects like building houses for the poor, teach poor children, feeding programs, etc.

For my part, I don't really know how the term "garbage" caught on. I think money is neutral. It depends on how you use it. I think garbage=money is just a metaphor used...there's truth in that of course because in the end money wouldn't matter...but metaphors are limited and it's not an actual term we always use to refer to money so I think it shouldn't be taken too seriously. Of course that's just what I think. :)

August 2, 2010 at 12:20 AM
joresa said...

I think you should attend the neo catechumenal way EUCHARISTIC celbration. the think is you cannot judge or disagree with something you just read in the internet. One should know by experiencing especially if you want to write about it. I guess the writer never experience what the catechumen experience, i guess they doesn't know what they do. This is a POST baptismal because instead of your PArents say YES to the church, YOU WILL BE THE ONE WHO WILL SAY YES TO IT. That's why it is call POST BAPTISMAL.

just a humble advice, experience it first before judging... nothing will be lost, something will always be gain. So try and if you see something wrong, then say what you want, and people will accept it because you experience it already.

Peace be with you.

August 2, 2010 at 12:25 AM
joresa said...

Just wondering, If we're talking about GOD, why are we disagreeing, like you said, Christianity is communial and personal relationship with GOD, they why it sounds like a competition where groups compete who is the best. I guess the only thing you could do is Do WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT, LIVE IN THE LIGHT OF GOD, ACCEPT BROTHERS WITHOUT JUDGEMENT and LIVE LIKE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE NAME OF JESUS. geezzz I think it's unneccessary to talk about a such called ORGANIZATION because someone is intrigue about it. if someone is, let him experience the love of God, if someone knows about it and disagree with it, let in God's power help him not to say something bad about the brothers.

August 2, 2010 at 11:17 PM
Anonymous said...

I agree with the last post :) It doesn't matter even if I'm in the neo catechumenal way. We're all brothers and sisters in Christ. We are not better or lesser than other groups.

Since the neo catechumenal way is recognized by the Church it means it is a fruit of or it is guided by the Spirit, just like other Church organizations.

Each organization has its own charism which is why maybe for some, the ncw is not for them, just as maybe some other organization is not for me. So let us not judge the workings of the Spirit but have confidence in it.

August 9, 2010 at 7:02 PM
Anonymous said...

i totally agree with the previous post. Through the NCW i have come to truly feel Gods presence and love. You see i used to go to church every Sunday, but it was mostly out of habit not our of want. Once i started going to the NCW i truly began to feel good anbd happy and i would go becuase i wanted to go,not becuase i was forced. You see i had everyting going for me i made good grades, i was going to a good University, my parents gave me everything i needed like a new car, plenty of clothes,food, shelter and i'm also not that bad looking ;). But to tell you guys the truth i felt empty. I had friends that i would go out with and family but i still felt like something was missing. i was looking for that meaning to life, i was like "why am i working so hard at school making good grades going through life if one day i'm just going to die???". I basically felte like a robot going through the motions...

sleep
eat
school
eat
work
homework/friends
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sleep

Ever since i've been in the NCW i've felt happy and good. Ive truly been able to experience God. Who would have thought going to church, being with my community, reading the bible was going to make me feel this way? Well the NCW has really helped me and i can now say that i feel Gods calling to priesthood.To tell you the truth i NEVER EVER wanted to be a priest! I mean i used to say "why do i want to be a priest and be giving church to a bunch of old ladies???". But now i see how wrong i was, ever since i've been stood up for a vocation i feel this peace that i cannot explain. Now i'm willing to leave everything behind all my material belongs that tie me to this world, and i'm willing to be a missionary priest. I'm willing to leave everything and go and announce God word to the world. If that's not God work then i don't know what is.

That's why i agree with the previous post becuse someone cannot just judge and say they don't like a group without even experienceing anything, because then that person can be missing out. If the group was bad then the Catholic church would have gotten rid of the group but instead gave the group it's Statutes in 2002, making it part of the Catholic church. I'm not here to bash anyother group or to talk bad about them either, i'm only here to share my experience because i have lived the NCW it's really changed my life for the better. But some won't understand because it's something you have to experience for yourself.

From the inside you can't really explain it, and from the outside you don't undersand it.

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August 23, 2010 at 2:05 PM
AlexMolina said...

The Vatican has approved formally and finally Statutes. The letter of Arinze has been tacitly overturned by 1) the approval of the Statutes 2) removal of Arinze from the post of Prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship...

Those who reject the Pope, the Vatican and its authority hate the Way because they not only support it, but promote it as well.

Like someone said... the most important is to convert, recognize Christ as Lord, being in communion with Peter (Pope+Vatican), and to pick up your cross every day and follow Christ... the rest comes from the devil.

To those who attack the Way, show me ONE letter from the Vatican (Congregation of Divine Worship, Congregation of the Faith, etc.) where it CONDEMNS its praxis.

Wikipedia, the Web, testimonies, etc... are all tools of the devil to waterdown and persecute the truth... for any orthodox catholic should follow the lead of our shepherd (Peter=Pope)... we don't follow hearsay or personal vendettas without foundation.

August 24, 2010 at 1:51 AM
Anonymous said...

The Word of God bears fruits in our lives especially loving the enemy, loving God above all Shema, a different perspective about life, living for the next life, eternal life...may you one day experience this chaism.

August 24, 2010 at 8:10 PM
Anonymous said...

I disagree on your opinion because the neocatecumenal way is so that that people see the light of God and receive the word of God. I'm a member in the neocatecumenal way and I can see how God has shed his light upon me. He has completely changed my opinion of myself and i see how I lived in death before the neocatecumenal way and now God has brought the good word to me. The pope,Benedict XVI, has aproved completely the neocatecumenal way and I will always stay with it.

September 19, 2010 at 11:09 PM
Mike said...

My name is Mike and I'm 15 years old. I've been in the NCW since I was 12 and it has helped me a great deal in my life. I used to speak similarly to the way all the people who do not like the NCW. I wondered why we are different and why we do different things.

This was foolishly ungrateful of me. Jesus Christ was being served to me on a platter and I thought that I could find him somewhere else. Personally, I don't know where I would go without Jesus Christ. He is with me in the Way. What proof do you have that he is not with us in the NCW? He is with everybody, whether you are in the NCW or not.

Just to say something about your "liturgical abuses": I hardly see decorating the table of the Lord as an abuse. The Altar is very holy to us and when we do the First Scrutiny we discuss the holiness of the Altar and the significance it means in our life. Flowers make the table look beautiful, yes, but we do it to praise God for all he's done for us. He made the flowers grow, did he not? I find it pretty upsetting that your sources said that we do not see the Altar as anything more than a table, because your sources were sadly misinformed. Also, standing at the consecration: can someone tell me why this is a bad thing? In my childhood and my two years of being in the NCW so far, standing at the consecration shows respect, not abuse. We are standing for our Lord Jesus Christ who came to save us from our sins. I don't find that abusive at all.

I will keep you in my prayers and I apologize for judging you and all who believe the NCW to be a liturgical abuse and whatever else. Whatever your views may be, one day we will all be together in eternal life, Godwillingly, as children of God, and I truly hope for your sake that you do not let foolish judgments against liturgical "abuses" cloud the path that God is paving for you.

October 4, 2010 at 8:40 PM
cyejbv said...

I would like to respectfully point out that because it isnt condemned means little.. you write: To those who attack the Way, show me ONE letter from the Vatican (Congregation of Divine Worship, Congregation of the Faith, etc.) where it CONDEMNS its praxis.
Arianism and Jansianism happened with Papal "awareness"; please be careful I was in the NCW also, for a while... about a year...
"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine but, following their own desires and insatiable curiosity, will accumulate teachers and will stop listening to the truth and will be diverted to myths" 2 Timothy 4:3-4 God Bless You.

October 6, 2010 at 7:30 PM
Anonymous said...

I dont know how old the post is but if the person who started the blog would do recent research say reading the statutes of the "Neocatechumenal Way" They would see many changes. And just to give some extra info it was supported not just by one Pope but by TWO!

October 8, 2010 at 9:28 AM
Anonymous said...

I was in the Way for 5 years and can honestly say it was the happiest time of my life.The Word of God became alive and changed my life. It is wonderful to know that the Resurrection is a sign of the forgiveness of our sins. For years I thought I could only get to heaven by being good, now I know differently. Thank you.

October 11, 2010 at 10:37 AM
Anonymous said...

The vatican has approved and even thanked neocatechumenal way for it's work all around the world. It's now considered by the Pope as one of the many charismas od the catholic chruch.

October 14, 2010 at 5:00 AM
Christopher said...

you dont darely know about us this is a kind of inspirational truth that neo catechuminate working in catholic dioces is one of the great gift of God to human and you dunt even say a word against this group this group is Lead my Our Lady Mary and u i think dunt know anything Kiko and his team working for God and to Secure all the Lives of human Being. plz Repent and Join the Group to know more. thanku



Christopher From the Community of Our Lady of Fatima Pakistan.

November 3, 2010 at 9:06 PM
Anonymous said...

I have attended the way has definitely brought me closer to learning scripture and appreciating my gifts from God. In regards to the echo; this is a personal reflection of how the word effects someone - it's a chance to share how God's word makes someone feel, and in hearing some people's echo's encourages me to see how strong God's words are. There are definitely times when some use the echo as a confession, or a chance to unload some personal problem or victory - I take this for what it is, and hope they get more out of the scripture; but it is a process. I do not believe that the formalities make it any less sincere about being committed to Jesus Christ. I am a devote Catholic and am grateful for the way helping me hear God's words and help me try to follow God's will

November 5, 2010 at 11:39 AM
Anonymous said...

Hi I was a member of The Way for almost 14 years.I stopped going almost 2 years ago and have had a lot of difficulty with feelings of guilt and anger as a result of some of my experiences.I was a wide eyed and easily led optimist in the first few years but in the last couple of years of 'walking' began to finally understand how the way really operated.I became very disillusioned and could no longer accept everything was explained away as being 'of the devil' and I grew weary of the horrible gossip,judgements and criticisms as well as the 'high profile' some members seemed to have.As a movement I did not agree with the methods of evangelisation that were used nor did I like the way some members were excluded and dismissed because of marital troubles or because they had chosen to leave.When I stopped going I likened my experience to that of the Amish whereby one is 'shunned' if they choose to not attend.This was difficult for me as the people I had previously called Brother/Sister now no longer bothered to have any kind of relationship with me! I have no hate towards the group but I was very much fooled in the early years and while I have no regrets I have to say it is far from perfect and I truly feel my family has suffered as a result.

November 8, 2010 at 1:34 AM
Anonymous said...

Catholics, nowadays, are not evangelized that much. When things go wrong, when they have troubles identifying with their faith, they join other sects or religions right away. If you can't grasp our Catholic faith, why not try to understand it first before joining other religions? I highly recommend Neo Catechumenal Way to deeply understand and appreciate our religion.

tnx! eirojram

November 9, 2010 at 8:28 PM
Anonymous said...

the way came to my life when i was at the point of changing my religion. I only learned one thing in the neocatechumenal way.. that is God loves me. despite of my sinfullenss, He is continously loving me without condition, without requirement, without being what i am supposed to be. i sincerely thank you for all the comments. I definitely need this for my personal conversion. God loves you.

November 9, 2010 at 8:48 PM
Anonymous said...

I read through the comments posted and it's good to know that some have been shown the light by being in the Neocat.

I myself have never been in it even-though I had an early encounter with The Way as a young boy.

My family opted for a covenanted community instead and the experience was a blessing of which I'm thankful until now and for the rest of my life :)

About a year or so ago, I attended a series of catechesis held by the Neocats in conjunction with the formation of their first community in my parish and comparing what I've lived and experienced and to what they were saying, I just wasn't convinced. If what I've just said doesn't bode well with some of the readers, then I apologise. It's just the way I feel about it.

That being said, I am a proponent of new ways of approaching our Catholic faith, be it through music, groups or movements in our respective parishes etc. and I believe that we as believers have the choice to choose what suits us best. Just one thing, if ever doubts start to arise in your heart about the practices done by the group you're in, don't stifle it or brush it aside. Be a voice. Remember that Satan lurks EVERYWHERE and at the very opportunity he gets, he's going to pounce at it.

Now, just a brief update on The Way in parish. It seems that they are becoming somewhat elitist. One of the members even went on to say that it was okay for them to not attend regular mass because they have their own mass. I'm saddened by this. It's just like what Anonymous of July 18,2010 wrote. If this is what is happening, then, please brothers & sisters who are in the Neocat, have a review and sort things out. The leaves of a tree won't shake and rattle on it's own.

God bless everyone and to God alone be the glory!!!...

November 9, 2010 at 8:55 PM
Anonymous said...

Just to share a book title (slipped my mind while writing the previous post)

Why Be Catholic? Understanding Our Experience and Tradition

By Richard Rohr & Joseph Martos

A very inspiring read :)

November 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Anonymous said...

your so blind. the NCW has so many fruits. stop being a pharisee and judging the NCway. how dare you say to stop something that has saved so many peoples lives and brought them to christ. and wikipedia is not a great sourch of information. you judge because you have not the eyes to see. and why cant they put flowers on the alter..you think god condems us for making the liturgy beautiful.

November 11, 2010 at 6:00 PM
Anonymous said...

Hi everyone! My name is Bem. I am a proud member of the Neo Catechumenal Way and I have been with the group for almost 5 years now. I fully understand your sentiments and opinions about our group but I want to let you know that every community in our Christianly organization promotes "Love in the dimension of the cross." Our ways and practices are based from the history of Christianity and Catholicism. We do not compete with other religious groups and we do not judge them. We accept, understand and most of all RESPECT their ways. We are taught of carrying our own crosses, loving our enemies, loving our brothers and loving God. You cannot judge us if you have never been with the group and if you have been with us and left; God is just making you realize that following Him is never easy. Whatever religious organization you are with right now, you cannot deny that you encounter temptations which make you weak. Once you establish this special connection with the Almighty, evil and other temptations will strive hard to pull you off from God. You need to have discipline, courage, respect, understanding, patience, and loyalty to surpass every challenge. Please do not just base your judgment from Wikipedia articles because it can be edited by anyone. Do not base your judgment from people who left the group because they have their own struggles and temptations in life. Those people who have been touched by the Holy Spirit live in the light of God. If you haven’t joined the group, please do not wash other people’s brain with your opinions which were based from unreliable sources.

November 14, 2010 at 8:57 PM
Boogie28 said...

Before writing anything, can I question you? "Have you PERSONALLY attended and listen to the teaching of the way?" Not all that can be found in the internet is reliable. Wikipedia? I guess not!

November 23, 2010 at 2:20 AM
nicolas said...

Well obviously the pope doesn't think its litergical abuse otherwise he would have stop it. In fact, durning the passing of the rites, pope benedict made the ncw change. The ncw must receive the communion standing up. The rest was perfectly fine. They may seem like abuse to you because you don't know the basic concepts of the church. Everything done by the way is in accordance and obidience of the father. Sandels are always heard but the good and the ordinary is not. It is a shame that even after the passing of the statues, which took 5 years to do under thorough investigation by the holy see, fellow catholic are opposed ito it so strongly. If you are against the nwc and they're practices then you must also be against the roman catholic church and the pope. You must think that you know what the church is based on, what everything stands for and the proper way to do it. I urge you not to be hard headed and open your eyes to the good news of god. The nwc is a path to salvation. It is true that its not the path for everyone but it can be.

November 26, 2010 at 10:40 AM
Anonymous said...

When God returns he is not going to ask you if you put flowers on the altar or not, he is not going to ask you if you were standing up or sitting down when you received communion. He is going to ask you.. What did you do with your life? This is what the community does for us, gives us the opportunity to live a christian life that is good in the eyes of Christ, which is not easy. The bad comes easier and the good is hard to follow. If you are taking the time to research about why you should not joing the NCW, why don't you research about why you should join it. The fact that you are even thinking about the community could be a sign that God is calling you ... make sure you listen. Reading this blog makes me feel the the call again and I want to go back to my community. The days that I had the most peace and real happiness in my life where the years in my community. I left for some time because I was weak and I could not resist the temptation of living in the world and be my own God. Brother and sisters from the NCW, please pray for me during this time of struggle. Peace be with you! P.

November 29, 2010 at 2:33 AM
Anonymous said...

Hai friends. I m in NCW for 7 years. Im from INDIA. India is the country which is very much sentimentally religous towards HINDUISM. Briefly to say INDIA is a HINDU country. But even here the Christianity is living because of such communities. Please stop abusing NCW. Because it is also a part of the CHURCH. We are Roman Catholics

December 1, 2010 at 9:43 AM
Dominican.Pride said...

The Neocatecumenal way was inspired by the Holy Mother to Kiko to make communities like the Holy Family and like the first Apostles. It follows the very fundations of the Holy Catholic Church and it has enrich millions of people including an enormous amount of youth, which I am part of. The Neocatecumenal way is just one of many answers to the desacralization of the modern world which is very much like the pagan world of Roman times. The Way is great blessing from our Mother and God. please dont bash it or push it aside, go to a Catechesis and see yourself this wonderful blessing. I myself went from aethist and ready to persecute as a teenager (I'm still very much a sinner and pray for my salvation)to rediscovering my baptism which i very much owe my life to.

December 1, 2010 at 11:49 AM
Anonymous said...

I have to say that The Neocatechumenal way saved my marriage, I don't care what they say in books or blogs, I know and I am a proof that God has blessed me with this wonderful calling that saved my marriage....

December 1, 2010 at 12:06 PM
Anonymous said...

If it is so bad, the Pope would not approve it!!!!

December 3, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Anonymous said...

I believe that if one is yearning to find the truth about the history of the Church and what not, then I think one should spend time investatigating about that rather than getting stuck critizicing the NCW! And while doing the proper research, one will find that this is the way our Primitive Church would celebrate the Liturgy.

December 4, 2010 at 12:33 PM
Anonymous said...

If we were all judged by what other people, who do not know us intimately, say about us, what kind of world would this be? if you really want to know what the neocatechumenal is about why not just join it and know the real truth?i'm sure they wouldn't harm you if you decided to leave.Patoh Njuguna

December 10, 2010 at 3:17 PM
Thomas said...

Ok, You are wrong. You are not God you do not get to judge the groups or people of this world."Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment that you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?" These are Jesus' words....try following them.

December 15, 2010 at 10:14 PM
Anonymous said...

this post has been going on for almost a year...
have u tried to go and see what its all about for yourself other then hearing people tellin you wat its about?
not everybody looks at the way the same way...its just something u have to experience...
AND TO THE NEOCATS... y are you guys putting fuel in the fire.. just let him say watever he wants... dont give away anyting because if when you started the way u new was it was all about u problaly woulnd have the experience u had... so dont ruin it for anybody..
Peace.

December 24, 2010 at 12:12 PM
Anonymous said...

I lived with a Neocatecumenal family in Spain for four months and they never displayed anything but the epitome of holiness that our Catholic faith begs of us. Additionally, it is a lay ecclesial movement recognized by the Vatican and I would be hesitant before I spoke so ignorantly on a topic approved of by the Catholic Church.

And, I'm sorry, but you referenced Wikipedia? It's difficult to even partake in an intellectual conversation when one uses basic word of mouth as a source of validity.

January 1, 2011 at 11:33 PM
Anonymous said...

The arguments, defences and complaints are endless really but having been involved very much for more than 10 years and now no longer involved I feel I have some insight into the way. Kiko heard from our Mother Mary to start the communities yet I feel that the communities of today reflect little of what I understand to have been the beauty of those early groups of people who were full of humility and joy discovering the love of the Lord in their lives.Today many communities are made up of 3rd 4th 5th, generation 'brothers' & 'sisters' and sadly I feel that much of that early message has been greatly diluted.Ths is especially evident when you have a married couple (for example)as head of the community and their parents, brothers, sisters, cousins as active heads within the same or lower or higher commmunity.As a small family who joined the way we had no support from other relatives in our understanding of what really goes on and how things really work.Many of the young people I noticed had disrespect for other members of the way as well as disrespect for outsiders and were quite discriminitory towards other young people who had not been raised in the way.There was a pride and aloofness at times and I know my children suffered greatly. When I questioned this behaviour I was told 'it is good for your children to suffer!' what is really bad about this is I actually believed it, not only that it was obviously fine for MY kids to be hurt!!! I totally trusted without question what I was told by various catechists over the early years.There are a lot of catchphrases in the way and this was but one that I was told repeatedly.However this is just one very small example about what disturbs me when I look back over my years of involvement.Now my children are adult and have told me they are so happy not to be associated any more and that while being bullied in the community was bad enough it was happening at the same time as they were being bullied in high school so their adolesence was a really unhappy and tough time for them both. They also felt judged and felt they were deemed not good enough by other children who were more established in the way.I wish I had kept my eyes open early on and realised how much my blindness was damaging my kids and not been so easliy led to trust people who clearly did not really know me or my family and were only using jargon to try and enlighten me!I will add that I know the community has been a gift to people and we ourselves have had some great experiences in our involvement but maybe that was par of the problem for us,we became SO involved that we lost our ability to speak up for ourselves and our kids and perhaps if we had we may still be involved today but another big struggle for me was the act of effectivley being 'shunned' once we took a break from the way and being told that this is common practice.If you do not go eventually you are struck off, however again I realised that those who left but who had parents/familiy members still in the way were persued and encouraged to return.The community is a strange thing, it can help but it depends who you are,it can be a great journey of discovery of faith yet for me I discovered any faith I had was actually sliding away over the years I was involved, and the people you share eveything with your brothers/sisters can drop you like a hot rock the minute you no longer are a useful member of the community.This for me coming from a very dysfunctional fammily was the toughest lesson to learn, oh sure I was still called on to babysit or gossip with but beyone that I really did no exists anymore among people I had once related to as 'family'.

January 6, 2011 at 12:31 PM
Anonymous said...

Moneybags... You and your "Liturgical Abuses!" need to get a life. Maybe you should realize that through the Way, one achieves a deeper, more beautiful understanding of the life we live, and the God that created and loves us. Do you know that God loves you, Moneybags? Do you know that no matter what you do, or have done, He will love you immensely? Do you know that He wants you to be happy? Are you Happy? Truly happy? He wants to free you from your slaveries, and has already forgiven your sins... do you know that? I hope you do.

January 6, 2011 at 1:52 PM
Anonymous said...

I'm a 13 year old girl who is in the way. The reason I am posting this coment is because I was googleing how many communities there are in the world and I clicked on this website by accident. Just to let everyone know, I'm very happy and have lots of friends in and in mine and other communities. I don't think it is right for people to opose the neo cats, they don't even know what is like. Those people out there judging us, dont Catholics believe not to judge others, that we should love others as we would like to be loved? I would also like to say that in church on a Saturday morning I go to a children's liturgy and they teach us about the prophets, saints and mainly Jesus, the Father, the holy spirit and important days in the Catholic year. At school (I go to a catholic school) I get the highest grades for religious education in the whole of my year group. This may sound a bit offensive but as a child I find a going to church boring, but when I go to neo-cats mass on a Saturday afternoon I actually enjoy it and I listen to what the priest is saying.

January 7, 2011 at 4:15 PM
maria123 said...

I'm da 13 year old girl who posted before. Dear moneybags, it doesn't actually say anything bad about NWC on wikepedia. Plus don't you think it is nice that we put flowers on the altar, that we dance around the altar at the end of the mass? That we actually think about what beauties God has given us, love and hope and kindness, and don't you think that we should celebrate these gifts by dancing and singing and playing the guitar to praise God. Also I would like to say that God loves us and you are just looking on the inyernet and researching. Why don't you do some real searching, in your heart, through the help of God and the holy spirit.

January 8, 2011 at 8:52 AM
Anonymous said...

hello everyone! i'm from Ukraine and i've been attending the community for almost 6 years. 6 years ago i was atheist and considered that God doesn't exist at all. my friend invited me to attend the Mass in her parish and i liked it. some months later i entered my community and now i'm totally happy! i can say that here i found out how God loves me. My community really helps me in my life, they are my family. i now for sure that if i weren't in the community, i'd really be dead because i wanted to commit a suicide... my family(my parents and brother) are atheists unfortunately, but now i can see that their life changes... my father stopped drinking alcohol - it's really wonderful! so many things He did and continues doing...

January 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM
maria123 said...

Hey sup peoples
Luv God, respect others
In daily life this means be nice and go to church, but is that realy way Christianity is all about moneybags? Find out more in the chatecises, there is where luv is.
Also one thing that no one else has noticed is why is your name MONEYBAGS? Not really much ov a Christian name is it?
Anyway hav a good Sunday ya all out there.

January 10, 2011 at 11:10 PM
Joe said...

Wow, this thread has been going on for four years! I wonder if the owner of this blog is still following it. This page came up high on the list when I did a Google search for the Neocatechumenal Way, so maybe that is part of the reason why so many people keep coming here.
I did the google search after coming across a news story about how the Vatican has overruled Japanese bishops who wanted to suspend NCW activity for five years because they were concerned about how the movement would affect Catholic unity.
I'm not sure yet of what I think about this group, (I had never heard of them before). I am a little uncomfortable with the seperateness of this group, and I have similar concerns about groups such as Opus Dei for similar reasons. I am surprised that the Vatican overruled the Japanese bishops. But, our current Pope is not known for doctrinal laxity, so I suppose that I will try to keep an open mind with regards to NCW.

January 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Kenneth said...

It appears the posts by Anonymous on July 18, 2010, are right. I see many of his points shown just from the cult-like posts here on this forum by members of the Neo Way. Most of the division being caused comes from the Way. I never had an opinion on this movement until now after reading all these comments from their members. The movement is not of Christ if they simply keep ignoring with a care free attitude of their disobedience to Christ's Church. At least from the the members of this cult posting here, they share the same lack of deep-founded trust in Christ with the protestants. The only Way is Christ. There is no other Way. Christ created His Church and granted it authority to teach in His name, and disobedience to that Church is disobedience to Christ Himself.

January 15, 2011 at 12:57 PM
maria123 said...

Go to the catecheses yourself and c that we r not protestants.
Plz don't judge people on the way they practise.
Keep loving God
: )

January 18, 2011 at 10:48 AM
Dwight said...

Looks like the pope disagrees with this thread's title...

http://www.catholic.net/index.php?option=zenit&id=31491

January 18, 2011 at 11:34 PM
Anonymous said...

Sorry, but the NC Way does not celebrate the Eucharist at all. They are Protestants who celebrate the 'Lord's Supper'. They have deliberately left the Church of Christ, yet we are forced to allow them to celebrate their heretical 'Masses' in our Holy Church. They DO NOT BELIEVE in the sacrifice of the Mass. They DO NOT BELIEVE in the REAL PRESENCE of Christ in the Eucharist. They REFUSE TO KNEEL in the presence of the Eucharist, and are taught specifically to stand at consecration in order to show their disbelief in 2,000 years of sound Catholic doctrine. They need to LEAVE OUR CHURCH and start their own blasphemous churches rather than pollute Christ's body with their filth.

January 25, 2011 at 11:19 AM
Anonymous said...

"Sorry, but the NC Way does not celebrate the Eucharist at all. They are Protestants who celebrate the 'Lord's Supper'."

To the neocatechumens, the Eucharist is the center of Christian life thus the celebration is carefully prepared, outwardly decorated to express its spiritual beauty.

"They have deliberately left the Church of Christ, yet we are forced to allow them to celebrate their heretical 'Masses' in our Holy Church."

If they left the Church, why are they inside the Church? Why are they recognized by the Church from Paul VI, JP II, and now Benedict XVI? Besides, Karol Wojtyla and Cardinal Ratzinger followed the Way closely and support it even when they were still in their respective dioceses. Both of them, as popes, presided some of its Eucharistic celebrations. Are you suggesting that these popes did not celebrate the Eucharist?

"They DO NOT BELIEVE in the sacrifice of the Mass. They DO NOT BELIEVE in the REAL PRESENCE of Christ in the Eucharist."

Where did you get that idea?

"They REFUSE TO KNEEL in the presence of the Eucharist, and are taught specifically to stand at consecration in order to show their disbelief in 2,000 years of sound Catholic doctrine."

"Refuse" is not the right word unless you are desperately trying to discredit someone or something here. To bow down before the Eucharist - Jesus Christ - is not less reverent than kneeling down, and there is no show of disbelief there in whatever manner.

"They need to LEAVE OUR CHURCH and start their own blasphemous churches rather than pollute Christ's body with their filth."

That is completely opposed to the statements of the three popes. Where Peter is, there the Church is. Anyone who will say that the Holy Fathers were in error (including the five different Vatican dicasteries that investigated the catechumenal way for many years, and definitively approved it) is certainly not with Peter.

I am not a member of this Way, but it is better to tame one's tongue and study first before passing judgment, lest we persecute Christ unknowingly and the judgment might fall back on us.

Better visit the real documents:
http://www.camminoneocatecumenale.it/new/default.asp?lang=en

January 26, 2011 at 1:53 AM
Anonymous said...

Hi, my name is mark and I am walking in the way for the last 8 years in India. I am utmost thankful of the way and for the faith it has instilled in me in the lord Jesus Christ.

I primarily would say I am a Christian, and am wondering why I am put in the world at this point of history.

The way has made me understand Jesus and his kingdom. The way he showed St. John in his visions in the Revelations. There is no victory of Jesus in our lives if we continue to differentiate ourselves, believing what is most convenient to us.

I love the Church and am grateful to it. I was an alter-boy when I was a kid and still go to the mass is the parish. When the evil started to attack me I saw that even though I was so close to the Church, I lacked strength and did not understand the depths of faith in God. Thought to myself as an individual, had to do something great with the little amount of reasoning God gave me and was lost in it. Finally understanding if I put my faith in God the works he can accomplish in my life can just bury my reasoning 6 feet under. We all are driven by our reasons and that's the primary reason why humans fall. Not understanding once we stop to reason faith in God takes over.

I read a few posts and am amused by the fact it is still pondering whether the NCW is good or bad. All I have to say is the plan of God will be fulfilled no matter if we choose to go out in the world and try to begin completing the will of God in our lives (to make his word reach the ends of the world) or debate about a few aspects of a group in a forum on the internet.

I still see God working in your lives because you'll still look for an answer from the NCW and am joyful you'll wont leave empty handed. That is not my promise, but God's. Hahaha.

No one leaves empty handed!!!

If you take out a sentence from a novel and try to understand that particular line, that fact itself shows something is stopping you from experiencing the entire novel. Be free and use the wisdom that has been gifted to you. Learn how to use your freedom as grown men and women by experience the way and see what God has in store for it. Pray to Jesus and he will give you his strength to find him where every you go.

Peace and Love be with you all!!!

January 31, 2011 at 6:03 PM
Beth said...

I am a cradle Catholic. I am in a NW community for 5 years. I am married to a cradle Catholic and together with our children are in a NW community. It has been a blessing for us all and enriches our lives. It is a gift of the Holy Spirit that we have received through the catechesis given in our parish. My family is also active members of our larger parish community. Our faith has COME ALIVE for us in our daily life because of the gifts that the smaller NW community has offered. We bring that to our larger parish and serve others. I encourage everyone to give it a chance in your own personal life. God is good.

February 4, 2011 at 3:57 PM
Joseph said...

Hi people, I am who wrote on the July 18, 2010 3:15 PM .I have been abscent from the site for months ,but today I decide to google it a bit.It seems that from my experience if a person who dictates and impose on some one else for a few months ,the other person who is receiving it ,starts to believe that person what ever he says. Who says something against he acts or of what he/she said ,he defend him at all cost. An example is listed on this blog.
Sorry to say it again, but why :

1. Members of the Way are promised salvation by accepting the Way as a style of life that's unique and dearly for a privileged few. Something often said by the catechists is, "If you take on this way, you will have the spirit of Jesus Christ. We feel that it's been true for us in our lives."

2. The community exerts a huge amount of pressure on its members. The members are subject to iron-handed discipline in the Way , as the catechists say, "it will bring you to the point of having to make a radical choice in your life."

3. It creates an attitude of segregation against those who do not take part in the Way. People who are excluded even include Christians who are part of the Church, people who are active in other catholic movements, and even the despised Catholics who go to Sunday Mass. Personally, I have seen many people who are richer in mercy than most Neocatechumenate!

4. Followers of Kiko focus on missionary activities even if they have large families.

5. After the second scrutiny, members must turn over ten percent of their monthly earnings, but on top of that there are even other collections for other purposes to contribute to! No year-end budget is ever produced from all the fund-raising. The catechists justify this with the evangelical teaching, "don't let the right hand know what the left hand is doing." So then, I have to ask myself, why is that the Church justifiably has every parish and ecclesial body have a finance council? Contributions, income and expenses are made clear across the board.

6. Often without even realizing it, the Neocatechumenate take on a language, a particular jargon that makes them standout and distinguishes them from others.

7. Generally, the Neocatechumenate react quite violently when someone criticizes the Way. They try to avoid the subject, or as is especially the case with the catechists, they resort to dialectics (the sign of the better sophist). Once I was really struck by how a person from the Way reacted to a man who said he didn't believe in it. At first the follower of the Way calmly gave his own personal life's testimony; even though he was vulgar in his criticism of the pope and bishops, he didn't get angry until the moment the man criticized the Way. Hardly loving one's enemy in the dimension of the cross!


8. The Neocatechumenate often feel persecuted and they demonize (as I wrote earlier) those who don't belong even if those people should still be considered their brothers in Christ. Sects typically demonize those who don't think like they do because they need to create an external .
People of the NCW ask your Master, where money is going,and see by your own eyes ,on paper,what are they afraid of ?
If they tell you that you are not a beliver of God ,you can reply them with this simply statement.
Saint thomas didn't belive that Jesus Christ has resuscitated him self and still Jesus made him a Saint. So whats the problem if you try to find out the truth ,about the money collected from the NCW followers?

February 9, 2011 at 6:17 PM
Anonymous said...

I am and have been in the Neocatechumenal Way for 3 years now and I'd like to say, with all due respect, that if you have not truly experienced this wonderful organization then you shouldn't be criticizing what the group does or even talking down on us.
Plus, you don't want us insulting you? Well this blog is insulting me and what I stand for so all this is hypocritical.

February 14, 2011 at 11:21 PM
Anonymous said...

i am from the philippines and am witness that 500 communities have benefited from the neo catechumenal way - these fruits are evidence that the holy spirit accompanies the way - 500 communities is equivalent to around 25,000 people. we have more than 50 filipinos who became priests diocesan and working very hard as missionaries - we have thousands of catechists who give their life for the new evangelization and more thousand of families rebuilt - i am witness to this - i can't be blind to these facts and miracles.
Sonny Co - from the Philippines

February 16, 2011 at 3:05 PM
maria123 said...

I agree wiv person who wrote on febuary 9th 2011.

February 18, 2011 at 3:59 PM
Beatriz said...

Ok, I've read through all of the posts in response to this ridiculous article posted and I'm in complete agreement with what people who are IN the Neocatechumenal Way have posted.

I was born into the way (as in my parents were in a the NCW when I was born) and I am in the 7th community of St Charles Borromeo, London, England.

I would love going to church when I was younger, I had friends there and up to a certain age my school friends who weren't in the NCW would also got to normal mass. But then as soon as they hit 14/15 and theyre parents had no authority over them they stopped going.

Around about that age, I had been walking with my parents community, because I was too young to be my own, so at 15 I did the catechesis and joined my own community.

When I was 18 I went through a very bad time with drugs and I left the NCW for a few months. The result of this was me nearly destroying my life and if it hadnt been because of the help of my catechists then I would most probably be dead right now.

I know what all of you haters the Neo-catechumenal Way are thinking, yeah well she could have gotten help from her family, from a psychologist, don't you think I tried all of that? If I hadn't experienced the unconditional love and the fact that nobody judged me, from my catechists and community I would not be alive right now.

The NCW may not be for everyone, there are strict concepts and some may be difficult to grasp, but the fact of the matter is that the NCW is one of the many Christian movements that encourages and helps young people to believe in God, in Jesus' Christ's love and to go out and evangelise spreading the good news that Jesus Christ loves you.

Let me ask you this, in London/England, when you go to a Sunday mass how many young people of my age group do you see (18-25). Either NONE or one or two. Normal mass BORES young people and that's the truth. The eucharist WE celebrate makes everyone feel welcome and the songs are HAPPY and played with guitars and and accompanied by drums, tambourines, violins. It's beautiful.

I'm not saying that the NCW is perfect, and I'm not saying that its THE way to go, yes, they're are catechists in certain parishes that are wrong in they're words or actions, this is for people who left the Neocat way, but you CANNOT judge/generalise the NCW for ONE persons mistake.

And to all of you insulting the NCW and have never even experienced a liturgy/catechesis/eucharist, go to one and then comment.

Oh and to the writer of this article? What kind of writer are you that bases their opinions on what is said on a wikipedia site or a website? Now, really, stop writing and start LIVING because God loves you.

Peace to all.

February 23, 2011 at 12:46 AM
Macdenik said...

Hi there!

The Neo-Catechumenal Way Celebrates in the Grace of the Holy Spirit! Like if the Church was born out of the Spirit through Pentecost, or even Jesus' Incarnation through the Holy Spirit overshadowing Mary, Hence the same Spirit works in the way, If you can not see the works of the Holy Spirit working in the way is that because you refuse to see and remain blinded by your self-righteousness. For you follow the rubrics of the church in relation to the proper celebration of the Liturgy, yet do not see How Spirit works in these Sacraments! please reflect these Biblical Passage:2 Corinthians 3:6 (New International Version, ©2010)

6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

following the law of the church as pertaining the Liturgy is of great importance.. if we are diligent from point 1 to the last its ok.. but if we do not understand the church's liturgy intrinsically then we are blinded by strictly upholding the law/ rubrics that dominates the liturgy of the Church. Be open my brothers "Ephratha" instead of criticizing the way, why don't we pray for one another and love one another because we NCW is not the enemy here. Its Satan.. So, let us ask these to ourself, Are you blinded by your self-righteousness ? There are many people who needs help in prayer, spiritual and material help, injustices, abuses to look at and not criticizing and destroying one another trying to be the better Christian than the other..

God Bless you All! Shema!

February 23, 2011 at 9:44 AM
Anonymous said...

My priest is from the NCW and welcomes them into the Church. We have catecheses every week. Yet the abuses that are supposedly practiced by catechists are not done in my parish. We do have flowers around the altar, but that is all. ONLY the priest gives communion, ONLY the priest baptizes. EVERY MUST KNEEL during consecration. My priest varies the Eucharistic prayer every week (uses 1-3). Dancing around the altar IS NOT permitted, and none of the NCW people in the parish dance at all during mass. My NC priest believes in the established liturgy and law of the church. His doctrine is actually conservative. The fact is, I cannot provide any "credible" sources because a majority of them are negative. I believe that many in the NCW have to embrace stricter rules, however, the NCW in general is not detrimental to the church. It brings to the public serious issues in the world today and help Catholics to understand what we must do to respond. They believe in having faith in Christ and learning from our mistakes in order to move forward. They try and get people out of their problems and embrace the Church. That is a noble cause. Also, read the scriptures. Do you really think that Jesus cared about the altar, or what we believe God's nature is? NO! Instead of focusing on petty differences, we should unite as Catholics and tackle REAL problems like poverty or the drop in faith. Service. That is what we need to do. That is what Jesus calls for. The world has changed, and so does the way we deal with issues. Father, I agree that some NCW extremists need to stop, but you cannot judge a group because of a minority. And, I mean this in the most respectful manner, I believe that you are stuck in a backwards mentality.

March 2, 2011 at 3:15 PM
Anonymous said...

A tree is known by its fruits... lots of vocations, conversions, healed marriages... it would be a SIN AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT to call this group a band from Beelzebub.

Specially for you Ryan...
those who place the Liturgy higher than GOD... I can only paraphrase Christ saying that the Liturgy was made for man not man for the Liturgy. The Liturgy has changed over the last 2011 years MANY times (it used to be in vernacular, then greek, then only latin, now back to vernacular) so change is NOT A SIN. Dis-communion is a sin and so far 'the Way' DOES EVERYTHING hand in hand with the Holy See... that there are abuses/mistakes here and there, sure there are, that does not imply that the Way approves/promotes them either.

March 2, 2011 at 3:32 PM
Anonymous said...

Wikipedia? Is that your source? It speaks volume about your opinion Matthew... if you profess the catholic creed, just as the Bishops of Japan found out, they dont have the authority to approve or disapprove of a group that enjoys not only Papal approval but ecclesial approval as well (the statutes were approved by 5 different dicasteries).

Blogs like these show ignorance and shallowness of your critical thought.

March 2, 2011 at 3:40 PM
Anonymous said...

I used to be in the way. You may think that it's doesn't follow the church doctrine and it abuses everything but to me, the way saved my life. Before I joined, my grandfather had passed away and I was devastated. I began to cut myself and had thoughts of suicide. I attempted suicide twice but failed since I didn't cut myself deep enough and I took too many pills (if you take too many, your body will vomit it up). My mom saw what was going on and sought help from a cousin of mine who is in the way. They took me in I went through the catecism and at that moment, my life changed. At my first convevince all my questions had been answered and I finally was able to be at peace.

when I used to go to mass on sundays, i would always say BORING! and i'd struggle to keep awake so I would look around and see what people where wearing or i'd text and do all sorts of things but NOT pay any attention to what the priest would tell me. Since being in the way, I now know what it is the priest is saying. I understand the mass and I now enjoy listening. In the way I rediscovered my faith and believed in the church once again. Yes, the altar is decorated with flowers. Yes, the priests takes the bread and wine while sitting. Yes, we do dance around the altar. Yes, we do have guitar players and cantors. But honestly, that made it more enjoyable. It made people really listen the the word of God. To really understand what He said. I miss going to the NCW. The reason I had to stop was because my mother did not want to go anymore (i do not know her reason, she did not tell me)

Basically, this is my own personal experience. Maybe the NCW is not for everyone. But please, actually go to one of their eucharist and then say something. You can do all the research you want but when you experience it, you come up with your opinions then. My opinion is NCW is a really good division of the church. One of the best places to go to rediscover your faith :)

March 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM
Anonymous said...

Hey its me again Mark, from Jan 26 2011.

I have followed this blog since I first found it and wrote in it that is 2 months back. Very short time considering the life span of this blog.

THIS IS TO THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO VISIT THIS SITE.

I have noticed that no one has been commenting against the way for quite some time now. The lord's love seems to be working hear, on a simple blog.

Its really beautiful to read the experiences of other brother that the way has blessed.

I see that God is blessing all of us by the fact that we are trying to defend his creation. But now we need to realize that people are not the ones we fight so hard against and God knows how to defend his creation better than us. This blog is just another place where the evil one tries to shake and stir the minds of people. That's what he does best.

God is creating a history in each and everyone's life who is and is against the way.

And Matthew, God has blessed your life and has given you responsibilities. People look up to the good you do and notice even the wrong. The lords ways are love and acceptance even if we do not understand we need to get closer to him and ask him why it is happening rather that resorting to the ways of the evil one ie. criticize, judge.

People who come to church also are sinners and the ones who come to the way sinners too. We live to glorify God and his love for us sinners. Even though we have done wrong he allows us to partake in his pure banquet. Let us all purify ourselves by only focusing on Jesus and asking pardon and mercy for what we have done. You will continue to hear these miracles Gog is working in the lives of these members of the NCW because God has a purpose with our lives. The only reason of the existence of the NCW is that the good news of the lord has to reach everywhere.

The NCW is not for everyone but for the people who realize their existence and give up their entire being for the greater good of Jesus.

I see God blessing you now since you have spoken against his work. His sign for his love for you.

The NCW and its reason of existence too has matured in the past few years. And so are the blessings even more sweeter. Lets stay united as one in the church of God and pray his blessing are showered down upon all his people.

Peace and Love be with you all.

March 10, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Anonymous said...

Let us not speak against anyone who spoke against us as they help us grow in faith, but just bare witness to his blessings he has given us.

March 15, 2011 at 9:25 AM
Anonymous said...

When I was 17 years old I meet my now wife and she was already walking in the way. Since I grew up in a pagon family needless to say I never had god in my life. I lived only for myself and indulged in drugs, sex, porn, hateful acts such as stealing, fighting, and I thought this was normal behavior. This is what I saw and learned from my parents and those around me. As a condition of dating my now wife I had to join a community and recieve my sacrements. Well to make a long story short I've been walking now 15 years, married with 4 kids. Its thanks to god using the way to intervine in my life that now I can say Im living a chirstian life. Im not perfect and I still fall but I realize my sin and the need to remain in the church. I can understand how and why some of you might judge the way but understand that if it was not for the way I would be living a life of sin till the day I die. I testify that my life is fruit of the way. And now I live to do gods will by passing the faith to my kids and evangalizing.

March 17, 2011 at 6:15 PM
Anonymous said...

I am from the Philippines and I can see here that God really works. I am 20 years old now and had been walking in the way for almost 8 years.

Neo cannot please everyone. Let it be. This is God's will.

Non-members will definitely contradict to NWC especially if they from the start had negative impression; and for those who are not in the way and have commented against this blog, I had goosebumps all over my body for you have succeeded in defensing without really being so biased.

To all, let's just love one another. May God Bless us all.

March 20, 2011 at 2:01 AM
Anonymous said...

The Way came into our parish over 5 years ago. I attended the cathechis and found it an opportunity for growth and interspection. In the end I decided not to join the movement for a host of reasons. Personally, I believe that "a thousand blossoms should bloom" and if the Way is helpful to some people in returning them or keeping them in the faith then it is based in good and we as Catholics should support at least its general directive.

Where I have begun to develop problems with the community in our parish has more to do with its attitude of "entitlement". Our parish is grey - many of our congregation are on fixed incomes having been lifelong members who themselves attended our grade school and high school and sent their children years later. There are now five Neo Cat communities in our parish who use our facilities weekly. It is my belief that they should provide some money to our parish to cover the expense they are generating in various ways - maintenance, insurance, security, general wear and tear. Rather than gladly accept these normal community burdens, they give very little to our parish in return for our facilities. When asked why so, they arrogantly respond, "The Church is not a club to which one pays dues." Fair enough... however they need to answer Paul's admonition that "Those who will not work shall not eat."

It is further disconcerting that given our local Archbishop fully supports the Way, they are able to exert pressure on those pastors who do not fully support their mission through nefarious methods. When Neo Cat priests participate in this manner against fellow priests who may share a different idea with regard to issues like these it is sad. Behavior and attitudes like this reflect elitism. Something I dislike and which Our Lord distained.

I would hope Kiko and Carmen would instruct their local communities to "fully" not "partially" pay for their Way in local parishes. This is only fair and just to all peoples of the church striving for the same salvation.

Just my thoughts... I welcome feedback.

April 1, 2011 at 11:58 PM
Anonymous said...

I respect everyones opinion about the Neo-way, I agree that it may not be for everyone, but for those of us that feel that we need it, it is honestly a blessing. It has opened my eyes and has changed my life. I have attended the church my entire life, but it never really meant anything to me. Then i heard of the Neo-Way and like most of you, i thought it was something bad. But one day while attending one chatacisis, i asked God to open my ears and heart and to humble myself, then the holy spirit overcame me and i was filled with a joy that i have not found in anything. The Lord loved us; not for when we we're good or perfect, but for when we were sinners. The Lord has a plan for everyone of us and even though it doesn't make sense to us, the Lord knows what he is doing and he knows whats best for each one of us. Nothing is impossible for God. So I invite you to please open up your hearts and give the Neo-Way a chance. If you feel that its not for you, then you do not have to join, there is no such word as commitment in the Bible. But for those who feel they have a burden on their shoulders I invite you to come and listen and God will let Light shine through the darkness of your life.
May The Peace Of The Lord Be With You All.

April 4, 2011 at 3:25 PM
Maya said...

My comment is that Jesuschrist was also condemend a persecuted by the clerygy of his time. I do not understand way if this is helping the people to find the thruth in Good's Word how come there are jealosy from some clearygymen. The world is in turmoil because the word of Good has not been spreead by the cleclerygys whom beleived they are the owners of the th Word of God that they have the truth and that no Just common man can not instruct them in the word of God since they have studied and they know more of teology. Well God in final judgment will ask you if you did thework of God with love or you fought against the Holy Spirit.

April 5, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Anonymous said...

Peace! I'm 16 years old and i've been in the Neocatechumenal Way since i was 11.
I personally can say that without the Way, I would not be the God-loving person I am today. Like someone else said in a comment, please... I URGE you, I ADVISE you to go to the Catechesis. There you can learn about the origin of the Way and what it's really about. Expierencing the Way first hand will give you a better understanding of what goes on, rather than learning by a secondary source.
I started out because of my parenbts. And they started out because they were at the point of divorce and no return. Then, a lday was handing out flyers and she came across my dad. He said:
"Sorry, it's too late for me to get to know God."
But the lady said, "It's never too late to know God."
So he and my mom started going. They HATED it, but they continued to go. Why did they continue to go/ hate it? Well, because their faults were being brought out to the open and they couldn't accept them; though, they knew they were wrong and wanted to change.
So now, my mom (who had thought about tying her tubes) is open to life and is still happily married with my dad. Now we are 5 children rather than 2, and because of the Way, we know that we have to pass down our faith to our children; just as it says in Dt 6;4-9 "Listen Israel, the Lord is our God. The Lord is One.... You shall love the Lord your God...Teach this to your children at home, on the streets, when you awake from bed.." And I believe that my parents are trying to accomplish that.
When i was 13, Pope Beneict XVI came to the US. Though i live thousands of miles from Wasington and NY, my mom, dad and i went along with other parishoners to go support the Pope. Wiythout everyone from the Way, all of 5th Ave. would've been empty.
So please...as a fellow Catholic who has been taken out of the depths of darkness and has been exposed to this beautiful grace (according to Pope Benedict XVI just recently at the anouncement of Lent, PLEASE go and listen to the Catechesis!!!!! This has been the salvation for many families....so, GO FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE REJOICING"S ABOU! :)
Peace!
- Kimberly
5th Community at St. Gabriel's Catholic Church, San Antonio, TX

April 6, 2011 at 6:28 PM
Anonymous said...

o yea?
well if we have sooo many flaws, then how come Pope John Paul II signed the statute for us, officially becoming a part of the Roman Catholic Church. Even the Russian, Greek, and Assyrian Orthodox and Polish National Catholic churches allowed the way to develop in their churches; the patriarchs allowed it. With the altar, we don't call it a 'table,' as you think we do; it's an altar for us also. The Deacons are able to baptize because they are certified to do some of the same services the priest may, not including celebrating mass, confessing, etc. A deacon is only one step away from being a priest!! The Catholic church considers even the baptisms of the Protestant churches as valid, and last time I checked I haven't seen any Catholic priests baptize in Protestant churches. The magazine that told you all this information about our way is heavily biased against us as many cardinals, bishops and priests still disapprove of the way. It's also from 1995, and 2011-1995=16; Within 16 years, a lot has changed. Even Jesus was persecuted, and the true point of the way is to find faith imitating the life of Jesus Christ and to find the answer to the emptiness and suffering of our hearts. Because only Jesus can heal our wounds and make us truly happy in this world and in eternal life. You should join and truly see what the way is all about, and not judge based on what haters told you. For only Jesus is able to judge us, and he will on the last day, and the Way is a great preparation for that day.

April 8, 2011 at 1:33 PM
Anonymous said...

I'm 23 and I was brought up in the NC way and I have learned to live a worthy life. A life where I am clear who I live for and that is for my creator which is God. If it wasn't for the way, I would fall into this perception everyone falls for and that is to satisfy society. Instead of living a life for who I am, the world tells you to be a follower and that it is okay to live it based on one minute satisfactions such as getting drunk, doing drugs, having sex for young adults like myself. The ways helps me to seek for an eternal happiness, a happiness that doesnt last a night, a happineess that doesnt fulfill my selfish ego but it fulfills my heart and my soul. It has shown me how much more worth I am and the amount of respect I should have for my body and just me as a person. It doesnt take away the fact that I may fall into temptation and that is the best part of the way becasue when I fall I know that God is there to help me get back up again and that is all thanks to the way. The Eucharist celebration in the Way is the greatest gift I receive every Saturday because it keeps me conscious that I cannot fight against this world on my own but it is only with God and thanks to his mercy. The Eucharist gives me life and hope to stand up for myself and realize that the world doesnt give me the full sense of life and of why am I here.In the world, you have to make money, do what everyone does, excel and that being the only way of life and once you have reached your goal want more and set another goal and never ever be satisfied with your life because you realize you dont know why you are doing these goals for. God in the Way shows me that life is more than just a bunch of goals ones sets one self, that Im here to give light to the world and show them through my life that the real life is to do God's will. What is God's will? God's will is for me to be happy and live in eternal life here in the world but I can't do that without putting God first in my life. It if wasnt because of the Way and my family being part of the Way, I wouldn't be the person I am today with the spirit and search for a true happy life. I thank God for enlighting Kiko and creating such a grace and an easy way to help us follow God here in the world. I can't live without the Eucharits or without the guitars or the music or the flowers...because that is what makes it special and just as it is, it give me life! and it makes me live the Eucharist fully with God being present.

April 9, 2011 at 9:13 PM
Anonymous said...

Peace! I'm 19 and I've only been in the Way for a couple of years. I was Atheist before I converted to Catholisicm and it was because of the Way that I came back to the Catholic Church. I also insist you go to the Catechesis. I was bored at first when I began attending, and I didn't pay attention at all. I refused to pray. It wasn't until after the convivance that I started to realize what I was missing in my life.
I went on a pilgrimage last year to California, and I am going to Spain this year for WYD 2011. I had a wonderful experience in California and from what I'm told it will be even better in Spain. There is a lot of rejoicing, and singing and praying. The experience filled me with faith and love for God.
Attend a Catechesis and for yourself instead of reading what other people write. Until you have had first hand experience with the Way, you don't have any credibility in saying it is bad.
Courage!
-Naomi
1sth Community at St. Patrick's Church Independence, OR

April 10, 2011 at 7:53 PM
Matthew said...

Good question. The Way is not Catholic. I would also say that the Novus Ordo is not Catholic.

April 11, 2011 at 8:41 AM
Anonymous said...

Hey Matthew, I do not understand why you erase my comment related to my experience about the NCW, I have been very respectful of your policy, I realy want to say what I lived there, becausa I´m not the only one, there are others in various countries reporting the same in different lenguages.
Veritas nos liberaret

April 11, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Anonymous said...

My opinion on the Neo-catecumenal way:
I am not from USA but I will try to tell my experience the best I can in English.
The NCW has helped me and hurt me. In essence is good, but when it passes into the hands of the responsible and catechists, Have caused more dmage than good.
Many brothers and sisters have abandon the communities been insulted and psychologically and emotionally abused, specially in the second scrutiny or subsequent steps.
Over 15 years I have witnessed how entire communities disintegrated as a result of it.
I have seen how favoritism is the rule to help people (not necessarily in a urgent need) using the collections, sometimes big amounts of money.
Very often there is no obedience to the pastor, in the best scenario the catechists simulate to be in communion to the priest, one thing i what the pope says and what the NCW interpret and discreetly forces to do with the hidden threat of been expel (inviting us to leave the NCW), after many many years establish relations and bonds of friendship and fraternal esteem and affection with the brothers and sisters.
Why Do I stay in the community? Simple, yet with that sayd, this Way has led me to an encounter with Jesus Christ through my brothers and sisters in thein the community , witnessing the work of God in their lives. Being in constant contact with the word of God , and with the Eucharist, slowly heals my hard and selfish heart.
Do I agree what happens with some catechists an responsible? Of course NOT!
The NCW is a reality that God puts in our lives that is new and handled by men and inevitably has errors that must be correct in order to save this Charisma.
I did some rough calculations, my Parish has 30 years living the experience of the NCW, whit "Born" Catechesis each year. An average of 75 new-ctechumens per year came, that would be approx. 2300 catechumens in total, very good; the bad news is that we were only 300 left in the parish distributed in 12 communities. What happened to the other 2000? I tell you what happened, they do not want to know anything about the NCW any more.
What another sign we need to correct our procedures?

April 11, 2011 at 10:40 AM
Matthew said...

Your comment was marked as spam and automatically deleted. I had no part in that.

May 2, 2011 at 11:54 AM
Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eppcNU3WtXY&feature=player_embedded

i hope this video link will be more than enough for everyone to see that the Neo Catchumenate is a gift :)

May 3, 2011 at 11:14 PM
Anonymous said...

Hahahahaha.. are you serious? Wikipedia and Yahoo? Oh wow then I MUST believe what you say...
Ok, you're right, I won't be rude but seriously, are they commiting a sin? Though I agree when they have to get knelt at the consecration :/

May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Matthew said...

By their very nature Wikipedia is not wrong. In fact, it is extremely accurate in many regards.

Secondly, that video fails to address issues of importance. So what that Benedict XVI says that the Neo catechmenal movement is ok? He celebrates the Novus Ordo and allows countless numbers of sacrileges to take place daily in the world.

"Blind obedience is not Catholic; nobody is exempt from responsibility for having obeyed man rather than God if he accepts orders from a higher authority, even the Pope, when these are contrary to the Will of God as it is known with certainty from Tradition. It is true that one cannot envisage such an eventuality when the papal infallibility is engaged; but this happens only in a limited number of cases. It is an error to think that every word uttered by the Pope is infallible." (Open Letter to Confused Catholics)

May 19, 2011 at 11:01 AM
Anonymous said...

I have to say that you are lazy and ignorant, but it is not your fault. If you really want to know the truth about the Neocatechumenal way you must attend it. Do not take the information from a site that anyone can edit.


John 15:18-21

“If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you... If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you... because they do not know Him who sent Me."

Stop hating.

John 16:1-4

“These things I have spoken to you, that you should not be made to stumble. They will put you out of the synagogues [today it might be from churches]; yes, the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers God service. And these things they will do to you because they have not known the Father nor Me. But these things I have told you, that when the time comes, you may remember that I told you of them."

Know the Father. Know Jesus. Open your heart.

John 17:14-18

"I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one."

Why are you leading your brothers in faith from God?

Galatians 5:11

"And I, brethren, if I still preach circumcision, why do I still suffer persecution? Then the offense of the cross has ceased."

May 26, 2011 at 2:14 AM
Anonymous said...

I am one of the many who are in the Neo-Catechumenal Way. First I want to say, how can you rely on statements published in Wikipedia? A lot of your information is incorrect and biased. Go to more credible sources with Catholic information such as ZENIT to get your information on the news surrounding the NC Way. I would give you my experience but I would never finish... not too mention I'm in my early 20s and it has done a lot to help me in my life. To really know the NC Way, you have to at least try it! And it's a charisma approved by the Catholic Church, the Vatican, late Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI. And yes, there are cardinals, bishops, priests, etc. who do not accept the Way or like it for X reason, but if the Vatican approved it there must be something right about it. It's just like any other charisma: not everyone will fit into it. You don't see everyone belonging to one particular group and some don't even belong to any. To understand the liturgy you have to attend the catechesis and have an open mind. There is a lot of rich history in the things we do that goes back to our Jewish roots. We don't bash other Catholics or charismas, so why does everyone bash on us? We are not perfect; we are trying to grow in faith, learn our religion, and get closer to God. And if you're a true Catholic, know that by posting this gossip, judgment, spreading rumors and much more, you are not acting in accord with what the Church teaches us. What true Catholic goes against their religious morals? Think about it.
Peace.

May 28, 2011 at 11:03 AM
Flowers said...

I don't understand what all this division is about anyway. As far as liturgical norms, it is alright to stand if one is unable to kneel. Why is there such a big focus on these nit-picky things anyway. The only thing that matters in the eyes of God is the disposition of our hearts. Where are our hearts? Is our heart really for God, or are we making idols out of these little rules? God is not concerned with these things as much as you think. He only asks "what is required of you, mankind, to love justice and walk humbly with your God". When it comes down to it, God is greater than all religion. Religion, and all the "slavery" of cult will cease. Jesus commands us to love one another. Love covers a multitude of sins. The most important thing is the salvation of our souls. In the end, we will be judged on love. I will never forget the time that I went on a trip with some youth to Gran Sasso in Rome. The priest with us celebrated Mass on the mountain above the clouds. It was an unforgettable experience. We were all sitting in a circle and it was a little windy. Liturgical norms were not in our thoughts as far as posture was concerned. Nothing sacreligious was performed. Also, if you read about the life of St. Maximillian Kolbe in the concentration camps, a priest during those hard times would find any scrap of bread to celebrate Mass in secret. I think the most important posture we should have during the consecration is one that is quiet, and reverent. If someone truly understands what is happening at Mass, it is impossible not to assume in our bodies some sort of posture which reflects the devotion in our hearts!

May 31, 2011 at 1:17 PM
Anonymous said...

I think that everyone has their own way of practising the religion. Some like being silent and pray alone, another like dancing at the altar. I don't get why this dancing bothers you so much? I only think it is an expression of a true happines, because the Lord sacrified himself for us.
chucrhes are half empty anyway, and that is because a man is too passive during the holy mass, but this kind of groups encourage you and cause that slowly you start participating too. I really don't see a problem here.
Besides, when I first heard of it and saw it i thought it is very weird too. but when you get to know that and experience at least one mass, you feel different.

June 10, 2011 at 12:33 PM
Anonymous said...

Well....experience is the best teacher...if Matthew has been in Neo before? You cannot say the thing is good or bad unless you experienced it....Wow...A Catholic is convincing others to avoid a catholic group...What a Shame....Is this envy or Jealousy....? Who is telling the truth? Is Matthew a priest, layman or what...or he is just a jealous catholic....

July 12, 2011 at 1:01 PM
Anonymous said...

The neocatecumenal in fact is a preparation of the baptismal faith teaching us to become a true Christian. One who once accomplishes the steps which are teaching and preparations can truly have the spirit of Jesus Christ in all the sence. Preaching, teaching, helping but most of all be able to be like the sheep. Humbleness, simplicity and obediance. It teaches us to see our own faults and sins and not judge other for their weakness or mistakes. Like everything prepared and organized by man kind we will find errors and sometimes it takes a process to fix mistakes, but Pope Benedict XVI has made changes in deed and is incouraging all the bishops to open the doors to the neocatecumenal way. Peace!

July 19, 2011 at 7:55 PM
Seraphim of Kadessa said...

Good day! I've been walking in the Way since 2006. When I started in this charism, everything actually felt strange. Many of its liturgical practices are new and quite different from that done in a typical church liturgy. As a scientist myself, I was skeptical. However, science also calls its children to investigate and learn more of a particular scenario before jumping into conclusions. So I decided to go along and learn more. It is then that I learned that all practices, all movements done in the liturgy, and all the elements of the faith being done by the Neocatechumenate is based on sound and solid theology, as well as a stringent study of the bible. Now, after a long time in the Way, I realize that your reaction and the way many Christian Catholics react to the practices of the Way is actually normal - especially when you have been engaged in the regular masses for long. I invite you to study more about the Neocatechumenate way, and to be more open about its precepts and statutes - not for you to be convinced to join, but rather for you to fully understand its charism from the Holy Spirit. Also, I enjoin you to avoid posting your opinions on the internet when it is not fully formed yet - meaning there are still missing gaps and questions to answer. This is not to subdue your freedom of expression, but it is to avoid spreading unintentional bias and negativity. Live long in the faith, brother. :)

July 25, 2011 at 7:02 PM
Anonymous said...

the way isn't bad you shouldn't avoid it I've been in it for 15years and it helps me a lot in my life it also helps young teens from doing bad

August 2, 2011 at 8:43 AM
Anonymous said...

is there something wrong of bowing, singing and clapping, playing guitars? what do you think of the NCW? an org. to ruin the Church?

August 2, 2011 at 8:44 AM
Anonymous said...

y r u so critic? dont judge the book by its cover

August 2, 2011 at 8:50 AM
Matthew said...

Q: Should Applause take place during Mass?

A: No, applause is not proper during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass for any reason except at Ordination Masses. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is a solemn occassion, and applause is not proper for the Mass, which is the Sacrifice of Calvary.

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger (future Pope Benedict XVI): "Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment."

Pope St. Pius X: "It is not fitting that the servant be applauded in His Masters House".

Hab. 2:20: "But the Lord is in His holy temple, silence before Him, all the earth!"

Zeph. 1:7: "Silence in the presence of the Lord your God!"

http://acatholiclife.blogspot.com/2007/08/should-applause-take-place-during-mass.html

August 2, 2011 at 8:55 AM
Anonymous said...

n my own opinion d reason y neo catechumenates are attending Saturday Eucharist bcoz very often they r called to do missions by the Catholic Church on Sundays by which sometimes they couldn't attend the Holy Mass on that day(Sunday). but even f there r still missions, everyone is really obliged to attend the Mass on Sundays. Besides, the Sabbath Day is Saturday and Sunday. Our Church already sealed that the NCW is really a Church Organization. f u r still confused, as in my case, pls do not do some research works in the internet. why dont u listen to the catechisms? perhaps u will change ur mind. remember, it is not the catechist who speaks, he is just God's instrument. DONT JUDGE TOO EASILY WHEN U DO NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE JUDGING. dont judge the book by its cover

August 2, 2011 at 9:01 AM
Anonymous said...

P E A C E .

August 6, 2011 at 4:19 PM
Anonymous said...

Wikipedia, EWTN, etc. are NOT the Vatican... your opinion/conclusions are questionable (to say the least.) Anyone that pretends to have a 'solid' opinion and boasts of the use of those sources as foundations for your arguments is a leaf blown by the wind.

Questions for you:
1. Have you ever heard the catechesis?
2. Do you know the moral life of all those who wrote negative things about the Way in the internet? i.e. are you sure they are faithful Christians? or just because they wrote it, automatically it is true? remember that we are immersed in a generation that boasts to be Christian yet aborts, divorces, believes homosexuality is not a sin, etc.
3. Do you know what is the Holy See's opinion on the Way? Do you know how many and which Congregations of the Vatican have already studied/investigated the accusations towards the Way?
4. Did you know that Ratzinger himself, yes our pope, while prefect of the congregation of the Faith, read and approved every one of the catechetical teachings and the theological foundation of the changes in the liturgy?

I hope that you see this post as a call to be on your guard. I have no interest in the NCW but i do not respect when anyone bashes a charism that is not only approved by the Holy See/Pope but encouraged and recommended.

Peace of Christ and best of luck in your journey.

August 8, 2011 at 10:28 AM
Anonymous said...

Actually...this post is wrong. The Holy See has approved this for a reason. And there are no liturgical abuses. I call this...IGNORANCE. And your source was wikipedia? Are you serious? That website is so inaccurate. It's not even allowed for use in school because it's always wrong. Check your sources before you decide to bash something.

August 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM
Anonymous said...

to marie:....disobeys the vatican? umm then how come the vactican APPROVESSSS this? you all contradict yourselves. look up the statues of the way...all details and ALL approved by the pope. until you've actually gone...don't talk smack. just like you shouldn't about any group. catholics beating down catholics? SERIOUSLY. what is wrong with you?

August 9, 2011 at 10:59 PM
Anonymous said...

weither or not anyone believes in the neocatechumenal way or any other religion for that matter, what's being said or told about ones way is not what the lord would want. im sure that one who believes in the holy spirit would know not to make judgments for it is not for you to judge. God loves us all. we are only human to see, feel, say and do how we are and we are given a choice to do god's will and find ones way. God bless all of us.

August 12, 2011 at 9:13 AM
Matthew said...

First and foremost, to those of you who say that the Neocatechumenal Way is to be accepted because the Holy Father has approved its decrees, you are mistaken. Read carefully: "Blind obedience is not Catholic; nobody is exempt from responsibility for having obeyed man rather than God if he accepts orders from a higher authority, even the Pope, when these are contrary to the Will of God as it is known with certainty from Tradition. It is true that one cannot envisage such an eventuality when the papal infallibility is engaged; but this happens only in a limited number of cases. It is an error to think that every word uttered by the Pope is infallible" (Open Letter to Confused Catholics)

The problem with our modern times is that modernism and errors have affected even the Holy Father. He is not sinless. And, if I might say, he is incorrect to approve the Neocatechumenal Way which at its core is not Catholic. It is protestant for the reasons aforementioned in this post.

You might say, how is the Holy Father in error? Unfortunately, even he has fallen into some of the snares of liberal Catholics. I'd encourage you to read my post outlining the six errors of liberal Catholics with an analysis on how the hierarchy no longer believes "outside the Church there is no salvation." From this fundamental error, liberalism has infected the Church and has begun to pollute the Liturgy. The NeoCat Way is nothing more than a protestant infection in the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

August 21, 2011 at 6:17 AM
Anonymous said...

The Lord be with you brothers thank you for the persecutions that you gave as part of the Neo Catechumenal Way I and my community of Dacao City, Philippines humbly and happy to accept your blog. The Lord be with you.

August 22, 2011 at 3:15 PM
Anonymous said...

Hi its maria123, I posted bak in January. Just wanted to say all of u against the way to watch the youth day in madrid, it was beautiful, did u see how many stood up to the vocation of christ, to become priests, or nuns. This is the work of god, through the neo way. Hope to see u all in 2 yrs at world youth day in brazil!

September 2, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Anonymous said...

so many miracles brought by the holy spirit through the neo catechumenal way..so many conversions, reconciliations..personally, the way has been a very big help for me to look at life in a very positive way..in the midst of suffering it is possible to find peace and happiness..the fruits of the neocatechumenal way is not possible through the work of human ability, the impossible which becomes real in flesh is a divine work..peace to the one who posted this article..may you find peace in your life..

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