Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Should Traditional Catholics Attend the Novus Ordo?
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In recent news, Catholics may have seen that the Institute of Christ the King encourages concelebration in the Novus Ordo with bishops (source).  In Msgr. Rifan's scandalous defense of concelebration, he says, "I do not see why we should, if it were asked of us, reject this sign (concelebrating- sign of communion with the bishop)" (note: this is an English translation of the Spanish text)

This is just one example to show you that the Institute and by far the vast majority of other non-SSPX orders are attached to the Tridentine Mass for a feeling of nostalgia or "preference." This is not what makes someone a Traditional Catholic.

A traditional Catholic knows that a Catholic can not attend a Novus Ordo, or go to a Novus Ordo ordained priest, or support religious liberty, ecumenism, or collegiality. Why is this?  Because in so doing, they are denying the Traditional dogmas and authority of the Universal Church on ecumenism, religious liberty, and even on the propitiatory nature of the Sacrifice of the Mass.  In the Novus Ordo, unlike the traditional Roman Rite (and other Traditional Rites), the word propitiatory does not appear in the beginning of the Novus Ordo Roman Missal's doctrinal exposition.

The very nature of the Novus Ordo Sacraments, while not necessarily invalid (but questionable in many instances), bear in them the theology of the New Rite and the Post Vatican II Church.  To frequent these Sacraments is to mix the good, true, and beautiful with that which is present in the New Sacraments: novelty.  By receiving the Novus Ordo Sacraments, you profess your Communion in and with the beliefs of the Novus Ordo Church, even those beliefs that are flawed.

His Grace Bishop Williamson comments in his "Eleison Comments" #241 in February 2012 the following:
For instance a Protestant may believe in God, he may even believe in the divinity of the man Jesus of Nazareth, but if he does not believe in the Real Presence of God, body, blood, soul and divinity, beneath the appearances of bread and wine after their consecration at Mass, then he has a profoundly different and deficient concept of the love of Jesus Christ and of the God in whom he believes. Can one then say that the true Protestant and the true Catholic believe in the same God ? Vatican II says one can, and on the basis of supposedly more or less shared beliefs between Catholics and all non-Catholics, it builds its ecumenism. On the contrary Dr Schüler illustrates by a series of comparisons that what may look like the same belief, when it forms part of two different creeds, is not really the same at all. Here is one illustration: oxygen molecules mixed with nitrogen are the selfsame molecules as when compounded with hydrogen, but they are as different in the two cases as the air we breathe (O + 4N) from the water we drink (H20)!
Even a number of priests offering the Traditional Sacraments (e.g. the FSSP) were ordained in the Novus Ordo ordination rite.  And many priests (non SSPX that is) that happen to have received traditional ordinations, received them from bishops who were themselves ordained to the episcopacy in the Novus Ordo.

Oil and water do not mix just as theological novelties and the unerring, immutable, eternal Truths of the Catholic Faith.

Just to summarize, this particular issue is one of great complexity and no one post can do justice to the situation to explain it fully in terms of its philosophical, theological, and societal implications.  I merely wish to raise the question that very few Traditionalist raise, namely, whether or not Traditional Catholics should (or can) attend the Novus Ordo.

The following segment of What We Have Lost...And the Road to Restoration helps to give a concise overview of the depths of the problem.


I would invite all of you to also read Why You Should Not Attend the Novus Ordo. This particular document helps go in more detail with the problems inherent in the Novus Ordo.  An additional resource is the Society's page: Is the New Mass Legit? As said by His Excellency Marcel Lefebvre, "The Novus Ordo Missae, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, is impregnated with the spirit of Protestantism...it bears within it a poison harmful to the Faith"

3 comment(s):

del_button November 28, 2013 at 6:36 PM
Anonymous said...

I am a devout Catholic and attend the Novus Ordo Mass almost daily and whenever I can... we have Adoration 24/7 at my church and I usually go spend time with our Lord after Mass... at another Novus Ordo Parish close to where I grew up, in the Adoration Chapel Our Blessed Mother showed up on TWO different occasions in pictures that were taken by TWO different people and WGN chicago news did a story on it... I will post the link(s) here for all to watch the video and read about it and the reason I am saying all this is in my humble opinion if the Novus Ordo Mass was so wrong then why would an amazing occurrence like this happen at one of its Adoration Chapels?? Wouldn't our Blessed Mother appear at a Traditional Latin Mass Church/Chapel instead?? I know that this hasn't been approved yet or anything but TWO different people have taken these pictures and the same image appears... I would genuinely like to hear your thoughts and thanks for posted this thought provoking article God Bless!

http://wgntv.com/2013/11/22/what-do-you-see-some-parishioners-call-this-picture-a-miracle-in-the-suburbs/

http://qmbarque.com/2013/11/19/an-astounding-miraculous-photograph-taken-during-eucharistic-adoration/

del_button May 2, 2015 at 1:36 PM
Unknown said...

Let's ask padre pio what he thought about the novus ordo

del_button July 12, 2018 at 2:44 AM
jongricafort said...

Dear Fr.Matthew

I've read a few months ago the transcript of conversation between St.Pope Paul VI and Arch. Lefebvre and my personal reflections on their conversations is liken to Heavenly Realm when God reveals His Divine Plan for Mankind.
God the Father as the Church Father teaches called all the angels including Lucifer(an angel bestowed with great intellect & light). God said His begotten Son(Jesus the Second Person of the Holy Trinity) will be Incarnated stripped of all the Majesty & Glory in Heaven, He will come in the form of men as a slaves.
Lucifer and the 1/3 of the Angels was assigned to Adore Jesus in that form and all of them rejected God's Divine Plan, they wont bow to a lesser creature.
Jesus coming in the form of slaves is the Redemption plan.
The Holy Spirit on the other hand will come for the Salvation Plan of all the redeemed.
But, the Holy Spirit must also be stripped of His Majesty, Beauty and Glory in the Worship coming the Vatican II council to allow the Mystical Body to suffer the same fate like Jesus.
Now, my personal reflections is Arch.Lefevbre did not like the Holy Spirit inspiration to Vatican II Council stripping the Sacredness and Beauty of the Latin Mass.So, in a way he is opposing the Divine Plan of God in the New Evangelization.
The transcript of conversation of St.Pope Paul VI and Arch.Lefebvre reveals the character of both men.
And based on the transcript Arch.Lefebvre cannot handle the Truth when St.Pope Paul VI confronted his actions on his delivered public speech regarding the Catholic Church.
The TRUTH can be seen by discerning hearts the fault of Arch.Lefevbre is the same fault committed by Lucifer.Which is DISOBEDIENCE.
Godbless

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